Good analysis. Bending the Left Wrist closes the clubface and makes its alignment erratict. Arching the Left Wrist actually OPENS the clubface . . . Hogan Fades Trevino fades etc.
I think you are spot on on teh "right hand working on top." Basically it's easier to keep your Right Forearm from being too high and pointing outside the Plane Line.
Nice post.
Oh I get what he was saying now....
Ya good post man....
You initially lost me with that "hand on top" part.....but I get it now.
Flat is good!
great illustration today on the level right wrist ie. the two tendons that extend from the Right thumb as you extend the Right thumb away from you (not in the hitchhikers mode)
This keeps the left radius arm straight and the right elbow down and lower than the left elbow (which are necessary to deliver the clubhead on plane)
I was aware of the flat left wrist but your insights on the level right wrist was a major revelation !
Good Stuff !!
Last edited by YodasLuke : 03-08-2006 at 11:31 PM.
Bob,
I appreciate your comments, and I had a great time with you today. You said you wanted to be the best 70 year old around. You keep the flying wedges and you'll be one of the best 30 year olds around, at 70.
I went in and edited one word in the post above, just to give it clarity. The right wrist remains "level" (not cocked or uncocked). I know we were flying through so much info today, that term might have been mentioned and passed.
I'm looking forward to seeing you again, soon.
Ted Fort
Yoda, I appreciated your clarification of the grip very much. It straightens out a few question marks I got from the 'impact bag' video. I guess I'm guilty of trying to mimic the "1 ppt behind the shaft- 2nd ppt behind the shaft- 3rd ppt dead behind the shaft--> BAM!" by getting my left thumb on the right side of the shaft. This in turn made the back of the left hand almost face forward, so I was kind of wondering at what stage I was supposed to turn it through impact (a concept I'm having trouble with anyway).
Is it correct that 'behind' in the impact bag scenario should mean 'behind in relation to the down-out-forward arc'?
Should there also be a cushion of air between the shaft and the middle of the inside of the left hand when gripped? I've been gripping in my plam, I guess.
The TURNED LEFT HAND GRIP along with a FLAT LEFT WRIST.
Is this indeed a CLOSED CLUBFACE(CLUBFACE LOOKING TO SKY)?
Why do most good players that are in this position at the TOP(Trevino, Duval, Lietzke) actually FADE the ball?
This is a topic that should be addressed more. I'm fairly sure that Mr. Doyle actually says that the Clubface to Sky with Flat or Arched Left Wrist is OPEN, and vice versa. Of course many, many... most would say the exact opposite.
Of course whether one HOOKS or SLICES, depends a lot on how one brings the club and hands DOWN.
The TURNED LEFT HAND GRIP along with a FLAT LEFT WRIST.
Is this indeed a CLOSED CLUBFACE(CLUBFACE LOOKING TO SKY)?
Why do most good players that are in this position at the TOP(Trevino, Duval, Lietzke) actually FADE the ball?
This is a topic that should be addressed more. I'm fairly sure that Mr. Doyle actually says that the Clubface to Sky with Flat or Arched Left Wrist is OPEN, and vice versa. Of course many, many... most would say the exact opposite.
Of course whether one HOOKS or SLICES, depends a lot on how one brings the club and hands DOWN.
Arch your Left Wrist at Impact Fix . . . Clubface will OPEN. So maybe some people HOOK who have the Arch at the Top because the have to compensate for the alignment at the top which looks "shut" but is really OPENNING the clubface.
One interesting thing that I picked up by watching Yoda give this guy a lesson was that he was a bit Arched and as a result couldn't fully uncock to Full-Lever Extension. As a result could get completely DOWN because his Left Arm Wedge couldn't work properly.
gotta love the Machine.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 04-24-2006 at 10:47 AM.
Arch your Left Wrist at Impact Fix . . . Clubface will OPEN. So maybe some people HOOK who have the Arch at the Top because the have to compensate for the alignment at the top which looks "shut" but is really OPENNING the clubface.
One interesting thing that I picked up by watching Yoda give this guy a lesson was that he was a bit Arched and as a result couldn't fully uncock to Full-Lever Extension. As a result could get completely DOWN because his Left Arm Wedge couldn't work properly.
gotta love the Machine.
Arch your left wrist at impact fix...clubface will tend to open. Correct. Actually, the clubface will be slightly delofted as well as opened slightly. Now try this...
Take your normal grip and cock the left wrist so the club comes straight up and the club and left arm form a 90 degree angle. Hold the club in front of your chest, arms parallel to the ground, clubshaft pointing to the sky, clubface "square". This mimics the left arm - clubshaft relationship at the top of the swing (90 degrees). Now arch your left wrist. The clubface will close as the shaft is axially rotated into a closed position, exactly the opposite effect as arching the wrist had on the clubface while in the address/impact position.
I picked up this interesting tidbit from a famous instructor who knows TGM inside and out, and I haven't heard anyone talk about this since.
As the number 3 accumulator angle increases or decreases, the resulting effects on the clubface change dramatically in regards to bowing (arching) or cupping (bending) the left wrist.
So, at the top of the swing, assuming a 90 degree angle between clubshaft and left arm exists, bowing the wrist shuts the clubface due to the shaft being axially rotated closed.
More food for thought...
Ben Hogan...
Cupped at the top...has an opening effect on the clubface...AND bowed at impact...also has an opening effect on the clubface...a perfect formula for a left-to-right ballflight.
That's the secret right there. It's not just the cupped left wrist at the top. It's not just the bowed left wrist at impact..it is the combination of the two.
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