Your question actually confounded me. I had to get a club that I keep behind my couch to test this. It seems that for the two-foot back and two-foot forward motion of a short chip that I move the triangle of my arms and the club as a unit. To answer your question literally, I guess that both of my arms take the club away. At this time, my understanding of the right forearm takeaway is that it is a simultaneous upward and backward motion, as if I were bending my right elbow to take an oath. Is this correct? If so, I don't see how this could be executed with the extremely short length of a greenside chip, assuming that I am trying to buid a swinging procedure for all shots. I do see how a short RFT would be fine if I wanted to use a mini hitting procedure for chipping, but my logic is that I should swing for all strokes before I begin to mix procedures. Is either my thought process or execution incorrect in your view?
As for the acquired motion that I would use for pitches, I have also been using both arms to take the club away until I get to the "toe up" position. I just experimented with this and do see how I could use an abbreviated RFT for this shot.
I absolutely see that mastering these shorter swings will help me develop my full swing, so I value any assistance that you and the forum members can provide.
Thank you very much.
teach
Teach,
Learn to use your Right Forearm Flying Wedge on the HORIZONTAL PLANE (like baseball) . . . This should help from the archives:
keeping your On Plane Right Arm Flying Wedge Intact and on a Horizontal Plane.
Shift your Body into its Impact Fix Alignments.
Keeping your Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact -- that means Right Wrist Bent and dowel parallel to the floor (or ground) -- move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Backstroke by Bending your Right Elbow.
From there, move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Downstroke STRAIGHTENING YOUR RIGHT ARM WHILE KEEPING YOUR WRIST BENT. Do this over and over and over and over and over.
Look, Look LOOK to make sure there is ABSOLUTELY NO FLATTENING OF THE RIGHT WRIST!!! IT MUST REMAIN IN ITS BENT AND LEVEL CONDITION.
Then drop your Right Forearm Flying Wedge onto the Inclined Plane and REPEAT THE EXACT SAME MOTION. Do this over and over and over and over and over. Bend the Right Elbow. Straighten the Right Elbow. Keeping the Right Wrist Bent.
Alternate back and forth between Horizontal Plane practice and Inclined Plane Practice. Listen to the dowel Swish as you Straighten the Right Elbow. Do this every day until further notice.
The key alignment that is overlooked is LEVEL. Everybody can get the Bent part wrt/ the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. But if your Right Wrist ain't LEVEL . . . you ain't got no wedge!!! Never Never Never COCK your Right Wrist. The Right Wrist DOES NOT take the club UP . . . keep your head betwixt your feets . . . keep your Right Wrist LEVEL and BENT . . . take the club UP Plane with your Right Forearm by BENDING your elbow.
Unfortunately the PIC are NO LONGER THERE!!!
Trig . . . Can we fix the Magic of the Right Forearm Primer pics? They are TOO GOOD to not be out here SOMEWHERE . . .
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 01-13-2006 at 11:43 PM.
I cannot chip well if I feel like I SOLELY use my right forearm to take the club away (as the first move)....although the concept has been absolutely amazing for my putting (I did a post in the puttin' section a while back).
In my full swing, and especially chip/pitch shots, I like to focus on my left shoulder/chest connection (PP #4)....I turn back and simultaneously add Extensor Action with my r. forearm.
R. forearm alone feels too flimzy.....just not right to me....to have to switch from taking it back with the r. forearm to pulling downward with the left shoulder beginning in the Start Down and into the Down Stroke. Dunno....it just has never jived for me.
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What you have to understand though....is that when people say "Right Forearm Takeaway" or w/e.....really, even if you feel it in your left shoulder as the first move.....something is lifting the club to the top. And THAT is exactly what the right forearm's job is....and to add Extensor Action.
I'll use the same example comdpa used a while ago on Chuck's forum...
Imagine your arms are ropes. They are attached to a club. Now....imagine what would happen if you simply turned your shoulders to take the club back........it wouldn't work too well.
In order to get the club off the ground and anywhere near "the plane" (Turned Shoulder Plane) the right forearm lifts....whether you are aware of it or not.
Last edited by birdie_man : 01-14-2006 at 12:08 AM.
Thank you for your excerpt from the archives. Can you tell me where on the archives you found this? I did a search for "magic of the right forearm primer," and did not see a post with that title.
Also, my interpretation of the section on the downstroke is that it describes a hitting procedure. Am I correct about this? If so, what would be the procedure for a swinger's chip?
I won't see any responses until tomorrow because I'm going offline now, but I appreciate all of the help that I'm getting.
Thank you for your excerpt from the archives. Can you tell me where on the archives you found this? I did a search for "magic of the right forearm primer," and did not see a post with that title.
Also, my interpretation of the section on the downstroke is that it describes a hitting procedure. Am I correct about this? If so, what would be the procedure for a swinger's chip?
I won't see any responses until tomorrow because I'm going offline now, but I appreciate all of the help that I'm getting.
teach
I had to dig deep to find it in the Golfing Machine section. There used to be some AWESOME pics. I'll check the Chuck Evans part. That's where it got started I believe.
As to "Is this Hitting?" Naw sir. Swingers have the SAME Right Forearm Flying Wedge Alignment with the mandatory Bent and Level Right Wrist. It is just how this assembly is driven that makes it Swinging or Hitting. Swinging the Right Forearm is INDIRECTLY DRIVEN into impact via CF and the Flywheel. Where as, with hitting the Right Forearm is DIRECTLY driven via the Right Tricep. But EITHER WAY . . . IT GET's DRIVEN.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 01-14-2006 at 12:33 AM.
Thank you for your excerpt from the archives. Can you tell me where on the archives you found this? I did a search for "magic of the right forearm primer," and did not see a post with that title.
Also, my interpretation of the section on the downstroke is that it describes a hitting procedure. Am I correct about this? If so, what would be the procedure for a swinger's chip?
I won't see any responses until tomorrow because I'm going offline now, but I appreciate all of the help that I'm getting.
teach
Teach
I send you a personnal message with attached file (Word file)
You will have Yoda's post (Flying wedges . A photo tour ) wit all the 11 photos. Let me know if it is OK.
Sorry not to include the photos in this message , but it was too difficult.
If anybody else need the photos , let me know.
PM
Hmmmmm I have always used right forearm takeaway for everything...
Right Forearm Takeaway with extensor action with stage one (putting and chip shots with an iron) and three stage (all full shots with Hitting or Swinging)...
Right Forearm Takeaway with full sweep loading stage one and two...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-14-2006 at 04:55 PM.
I wonder if I don't understand what a right forearm takeaway is. To me, it refers to bending the right elbow upward while doing nothing with the hands and wrists. In other words, while retaining the right arm flying wedge. Am I correct about this? I just sudied the picture (Thanks, Ben), "Flying Wedges Assembly in Startup," however, and I don't see any bend in the right elbow.
On page 226, Homer describes the basic motion as being, "about two feet in both directions." So do all of you bend your right elbow very slightly on your chipping backstroke and then pull with your left arm on the very short downstroke to get a swinging feel? I'm realizing as I type this that a further part of my confusion is that I'm learning to use centrifugal force in order to swing. However, in a chip, there really is no centrifugal force, right?
Finally, for now, I think that the fog would be cleared in 10 seconds if I were able to see a slow-motion video clip of a swinger's chip that uses the RFT. I have seen videos of Bobby, Ben, Brian, Mike Jacobs, and Rick Nielsen, and all seem to my untrained eyes to use an abbreviated shoulder turn takeaway for their chipping. I fervently hope that Yoda will cover this when his DVD comes out.
Thank you all once again for your help.
teach
P.S.- Birdie_man, once I straighten this out, I'll look into your post on putting. Right now, I can't visualize how RFT could be used for putting either, but that's obviously because my coconut is missing something.
P.S.- Birdie_man, once I straighten this out, I'll look into your post on putting. Right now, I can't visualize how RFT could be used for putting either, but that's obviously because my coconut is missing something.
In short Teach, all it is is you tracing the Plane Line with your Right Forearm. Instead of rocking your shoulders or w/e.....you use your R. Forearm. Works great for me.
I wonder if I don't understand what a right forearm takeaway is. To me, it refers to bending the right elbow upward while doing nothing with the hands and wrists. In other words, while retaining the right arm flying wedge. Am I correct about this? I just sudied the picture (Thanks, Ben), "Flying Wedges Assembly in Startup," however, and I don't see any bend in the right elbow.
On page 226, Homer describes the basic motion as being, "about two feet in both directions." So do all of you bend your right elbow very slightly on your chipping backstroke and then pull with your left arm on the very short downstroke to get a swinging feel? I'm realizing as I type this that a further part of my confusion is that I'm learning to use centrifugal force in order to swing. However, in a chip, there really is no centrifugal force, right?
Finally, for now, I think that the fog would be cleared in 10 seconds if I were able to see a slow-motion video clip of a swinger's chip that uses the RFT. I have seen videos of Bobby, Ben, Brian, Mike Jacobs, and Rick Nielsen, and all seem to my untrained eyes to use an abbreviated shoulder turn takeaway for their chipping. I fervently hope that Yoda will cover this when his DVD comes out.
Thank you all once again for your help.
teach
P.S.- Birdie_man, once I straighten this out, I'll look into your post on putting. Right now, I can't visualize how RFT could be used for putting either, but that's obviously because my coconut is missing something.
teach,
Have you factored in Extensor Action ?
In a proper set up, the flying wedge assembly will result in some degree of bend in the Right Arm at Address. Extensor Action is the effort to straigten your Right Arm more than what it is at Address. However, the Left Arm acts as a rein ["checkrein", as Mr. Kelley termed it in the book] that prevents the Right Arm from straightening all at once. Instead, the Right Arm straigtens gradually as the Left Arm goes from Address to the Top of the Backstroke. Similary, the Right Arm gradually straightens as the Left Arm moves down, out and forward through Impact.
This is why the Right Elbow will not bend as much on a chip or putt as opposed to a pitch or full swing. The great thing is that you don't have to worry about it. The reining action of the Left Arm does it automatically -- as long as you employ Extensor Action!
Hybrid Mode
