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Old 11-16-2005, 02:38 PM
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When I stopped trying to keep the clubhead behind everything and started trying to keep the grip in front of everything, my game changed forever.[/quote]

Ted, could you further expand on this quote, I have been concentrating on dragging the clubhead through impact. Should my focus be more on the grip end??
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:35 AM
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Keeping versus creating lag
Originally Posted by 8cork
When I stopped trying to keep the clubhead behind everything and started trying to keep the grip in front of everything, my game changed forever.
Ted, could you further expand on this quote, I have been concentrating on dragging the clubhead through impact. Should my focus be more on the grip end??[/quote]

I was under the impression for a long time that I had to 'keep' the clubhead from passing my hands. It made me 'keep' my right arm bent (accumulator lag) too long. I always felt the need to hold everything back. The epiphany came when I realized that the clubhead didn't want to go forward (law of inertia). Everyone had always told me about "clubhead" lag, but I heard new terminology: lag "pressure". I realized that PRESSURE against the handle being greater than that of the momentum of the clubhead would keep the handle winning the race to the ball.
Pulling with centripetal force or pushing with muscular drive can create lag pressure. Because hitters load the pressure on the back of the shaft at top, we have the luxury of carrying that lag pressure (felt in the #3 pressure point) from top through impact. The swinger, on the other hand, loads the pressure on top of the shaft. When using a snap release, the #3 pressure point rotates very late to a position that's behind the shaft.
Other terminology that I hate to hear is "clubhead speed." I'd rather be able to measure someone's "hand speed."
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:54 PM
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\Other terminology that I hate to hear is "clubhead speed." I'd rather be able to measure someone's "hand speed."

Aren't the hands actually moving slower than the clubhead though because they are gradually rotating as they move into impact and through to the follow through postion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the hands travel a much shorter distance than the clubhead from the parallel to the base line on the downswing(Mac's P5) position through follow through.

That being said hand speed would be considerably slower than clubhead speed. Correct???

So well it may be easier to measure clubhead speed, the hitter should work on increasing hand speed.

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Old 11-17-2005, 06:33 PM
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Hand speed is dependent on release type, the earlier the release the higher hand speed needed to produce the yardage equivalent to that of a short quick arc of the maxixmum delay per Mr. Kelley.
Tom Watson with his sweep release has much more handspeed than Ben Hogan with his snap release.
Rather than clubhead speed or hand speed shouldn't the focus be on ball speed, resistance to the deceleration of impact?


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Old 11-17-2005, 08:01 PM
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Hand speed is dependent on release type, the earlier the release the higher hand speed needed to produce the yardage equivalent to that of a short quick arc of the maxixmum delay per Mr. Kelley.
Tom Watson with his sweep release has much more handspeed than Ben Hogan with his snap release.
Rather than clubhead speed or hand speed shouldn't the focus be on ball speed, resistance to the deceleration of impact?


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Sounds like you're a proponent of sustaining the line of compression! Man, you'd better call Philly and thank him for that "gift" Monday night. My Cats will let your Boys know whose for real Christmas Eve!

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Old 11-17-2005, 09:45 PM
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Hand speed is dependent on release type, the earlier the release the higher hand speed needed to produce the yardage equivalent to that of a short quick arc of the maxixmum delay per Mr. Kelley.
Tom Watson with his sweep release has much more handspeed than Ben Hogan with his snap release.
Rather than clubhead speed or hand speed shouldn't the focus be on ball speed, resistance to the deceleration of impact?


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"resistance to the deceleration of impact"...a primary concern of the hitter. As we are in the Emergency Room for Hitters, snap releases are TABOO! No maximum delay for me. Horizontal hinging would give me the heebie jeebies.
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
"resistance to the deceleration of impact"...a primary concern of the hitter. As we are in the Emergency Room for Hitters, snap releases are TABOO! No maximum delay for me. Horizontal hinging would give me the heebie jeebies.
In the case of hitting isn't the primary hand speed generated by the driving of the right foream and shoulder as hard as you can through the ball using the proper hand positions.Similar to the blow I would use in hitting a punching bag.

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Old 11-17-2005, 10:20 PM
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In the case of hitting isn't the primary hand speed generated by the driving of the right foream and shoulder as hard as you can through the ball using the proper hand positions.Similar to the blow I would use in hitting a punching bag.

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The right triceps drive when hitting. However, the shoulder will move down plane, but it becomes a backstop from which the right arm can jump.
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bray
Aren't the hands actually moving slower than the clubhead though because they are gradually rotating as they move into impact and through to the follow through postion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the hands travel a much shorter distance than the clubhead from the parallel to the base line on the downswing(Mac's P5) position through follow through.

That being said hand speed would be considerably slower than clubhead speed. Correct???

So well it may be easier to measure clubhead speed, the hitter should work on increasing hand speed.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray
When hitting, we don't have the luxury that those outcasts in the other emergency room have. Since they don't have the brute force that we hitters have, they have to use a small pulley wheel to accelerate the club (snap release) or have faster hand speed and a larger pulley wheel. A hitter has to resist deceleration. We are driving the entire primary lever system by unloading the secondary lever system.
Even a hitter has some #3, and some #2 which are being simultaneously released, so yes the hands are going slower. But, most poor players have the false feel of clubhead speed and slow the hands to increase the speed of the clubhead. (bent left wrist = shorter primary lever, less mass, faster clubhead but less kinetic energy) The feel of faster hands has to be conveyed if someone's trying to hit or the feeling of pushing the middle (handle/grip) of the primary lever system forward, or hitting will be out of the question.
The snap release in swinging will always be mistaken for wrist bend by the masses.
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