I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.
Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.
How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer
I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.
Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.
How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer
You turn the left wrist just enough to get the leading edge of the club parallel to the plane line at the top.
Remember this, it will simplify everything for you.
As long as your Left Wrist is Flat, you have mainted the integrity of your Left Arm Flying Wedge! That's it!
Tong, thaks for simplifying this...as someone that can be way to obesessed with swing thoughts and swing positions I like trying to keep things simple. I have spent much time looking at my backswing position at the "top" and for me the simplest thought is to verify that I use "impact hands" at address and keep the flat left wrist (FLW) and bent right wrist "vertical" throughout the backstroke, through impact, and all the way through the follow through.
My only backstroke thought now that I got from someone else on this forum a month or two back is to be able to "spear the fishy" from the top...if I could do this then I know that I am in an ideal position for the downstroke.
Tong, thaks for simplifying this...as someone that can be way to obesessed with swing thoughts and swing positions I like trying to keep things simple. I have spent much time looking at my backswing position at the "top" and for me the simplest thought is to verify that I use "impact hands" at address and keep the flat left wrist (FLW) and bent right wrist "vertical" throughout the backstroke, through impact, and all the way through the follow through.
My only backstroke thought now that I got from someone else on this forum a month or two back is to be able to "spear the fishy" from the top...if I could do this then I know that I am in an ideal position for the downstroke.
Keith
Keith:
Don't forget about the Level Right Wrist which is equally important as the Flat Left Wrist -- together, they give you your precision Flying Wedges Assembly -- the real Gateway to Golfing perfection!
* If the left wrist is flat the club must cock directly towards the left shoulder and uncock away from the left shoulder.
* In an onplane swing, on the turned shoulder plane, after turning, the club cocks back towards the right shoulder, or where the right shoulder will be after it has turned back to plane. Or, in other words, the wrist cock occurs on plane.
* The only way the club could cock towards both the left and right shoulders would be if the left and right shoulder were both on plane (possible with a rotated shoulder plane?)
It seems to me (and I'm happy to be corrected on this!) that you need a small bend in your left wrist to cock towards the right shoulder unless the left shoulder is also on plane.
* If the left wrist is flat the club must cock directly towards the left shoulder and uncock away from the left shoulder.
* In an onplane swing, on the turned shoulder plane, after turning, the club cocks back towards the right shoulder, or where the right shoulder will be after it has turned back to plane. Or, in other words, the wrist cock occurs on plane.
* The only way the club could cock towards both the left and right shoulders would be if the left and right shoulder were both on plane (possible with a rotated shoulder plane?)
It seems to me (and I'm happy to be corrected on this!) that you need a small bend in your left wrist to cock towards the right shoulder unless the left shoulder is also on plane.
Help!
Chris
The Left Wrist is only Turned for the Swinger using Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). Turned means that the Left Palm faces towards the Inclined Plane. Any Cocking occurs independently of this Turned Left Wrist Condition, i.e. amount of Cocking does not affect how much the Left Wrist is Turned.
The Flat Left Wrist Condition should be established at Impact Fix (10-8-A). The Swinger using Standard Address (10-9-A) has a Bent Left Wrist to start with which gets Flattened via Extensor Action during Start Up. This flatness of the Left Wrist is identical to that established at Impact Fix, and its condition is maintained until Follow Through.
PS: There is no Rotated Shoulder Plane Angle in The Golfing Machine. However there is a Rotated Shoulder Turn (10-13-C). The Rotated Shoulder Turn does not place the Left Shoulder On Plane at the Top. For photographic evidence, please look at 10-13-C #2. In fact, the geometry of Shoulder Control deals only with the Right Shoulder. So stop thinking about the Left Shoulder -- it's the Right Shoulder that matters. Study third paragraph of 2-H.
Hope this helps.
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tongzilla
Last edited by tongzilla : 10-13-2005 at 06:37 PM.
The Left Wrist is only Turned for the Swinger using Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). Turned, as Yoda has confirmed, means that the Left Palm faces directly on the Inclined Plane. Any Cocking occurs independently of this Turned Left Wrist Condition, i.e. amount of Cocking does not affect how much the Left Wrist is Turned.
But if the left palm is on the plane, and the left shoulder is not, then neither is the left arm, hence there must be an angle between the palm and the arm - how can the left wrist be flat?
Or is it to do with the subtle anatomy of the hand (I must look like an idiot sitting here at my desk cocking my wrist up and down - my wife is always telling me to stop forming golf grips and the like when we're in public together!)
I believe there seems to be a misconception that the Left Hand should be Turned 'On Plane' for Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A). I haven't got the book with me, but I don't think Homer ever mentions Turning the Left Hand On Plane. All he says is that it should be Turned.
Another one I hear a lot is that the Left Hand should be rotated a quater turn / 90 degrees. I don't think Homer ever says that either.
How much should the Left Wrist Turn (for the Swinger)? Anyone got an answer
Per 4-C-2:
"When Turned...the left palm faces directly toward that [selected] Plane."
Per 10-11-0-3:
The quarter turn rotation you mention refers not to the Left Hand, but to the Right Hand and its #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the right forefinger). And that does not refer to an actual rotation of the Hand, but merely the rotation of the pressure point pressure (from the back to the top of the Clubshaft) during an End Backstroke.
"When Turned...the left palm faces directly toward that [selected] Plane."
Per 10-11-0-3:
The quarter turn rotation you mention refers not to the Left Hand, but to the Right Hand and its #3 Pressure Point (meaty part of the right forefinger). And that does not refer to an actual rotation of the Hand, but merely the rotation of the pressure point pressure (from the back to the top of the Clubshaft) during an End Backstroke.
A detailed explanation... with picture... of Left Wrist Turn, and Right Forearm Fanning would probably be helpful. Showing Standard, Single, and Double Wrist Action would be even better!
A detailed explanation... with picture... of Left Wrist Turn, and Right Forearm Fanning would probably be helpful. Showing Standard, Single, and Double Wrist Action would be even better!
The explanations and photos are all there in 10-18. Just remember that photos 10-18-C and 10-18-D should be reversed.
Also, study the "Useful Combinations" (photos 5-A/B/C/D).
As I look at 5-C-2 (the Right Wrist Conditions complementing the Left Wrist's Flat, Cocked and Turned Conditions) I am taken back 24 years. When I began my study of The Golfing Machine® in 1979, the book's complementing Right Wrist Conditions were identical to those of the Left, i.e., Flat, Turned and Cocked. By 1981, I had come to understand the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, and clearly, a Cocked Right Wrist destroys that structure. Plus, the photo did not seem to show the Wrist as Cocked. So, I telephoned Homer -- by this time he had gotten used to these calls! -- and asked about it. After a brief pause, he answered, "You're right. It should be Level, not Cocked."
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