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Old 06-19-2009, 09:29 AM
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The Right Shoulder
In the 7th edition, Homer in the Preface added..."If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!" (my signature) which did not appeared in the 6th edition.

While surfing the net lately, I found something quite interesting...here is the quotes:-

The right shoulder - We know that better players rotate the right shoulder very nicely down the plane and down the target line. Yes, that has been said and observed thousands of times.

But WHY?

The right shoulder performs two functions - one is putting body mass behind the piston movement of the right elbow. So connecting the body weight into the right elbow with put enormous more momentum into the contact with the ball and transfer more energy to the ball. It is like being hit by a bicycle or a 10-ton truck both moving at the same speed. Which is going to do more damage and transfer more energy?

Obviously, the 10-ton truck. So get your body weight better connected and behind the right elbow for more power. OK - that is easy to understand. But the second function of the right shoulder is more subtile. Imagine a dog leash. The dog is free to move for a certain distance. But when is gets to the end of the leash, it is suddenly stopped. The rigth shoulder is similar. IF the right shoulder moves down the swing plane and down the target line, the right elbow can stay bent with all of its power for a very late hit.

That is the dog leash is still loose enough to allow the right elbow to explode into the ball. However, if the right shoulder turns on a plane flatter than the swing plane, the right elbow will start opening up - that is loosing power - before it is even near the ball. The right elbow is “leaking power" because the unconscious minds says “You must hit the ball!" and the only way to hit the ball with a shoulder rotating more flat that the swing plane is by opening up the right elbow. The right elbow cannot explode into the ball because it is already opened up and can move only a short distance before it is at the “end of it’s leash."

Haha...the dog leash!
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:58 AM
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One basic reason would be, all things being equal, a steeper shoulder plane would leave the face open, while a flatter shoulder plane would close the face prematurely.
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Old 06-19-2009, 05:49 PM
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One basic reason would be, all things being equal, a steeper shoulder plane would leave the face open, while a flatter shoulder plane would close the face prematurely.
Now there's an AhHah moment. The flatter shoulder turn would thereby promote hooking the ball? I have noticed, several instructors stating that lowering the right shoulder is necessary to tilt the hips improving the pivot. I think they are promoting a vertical drop of the right shoulder before the pivot rather than right shoulder travel down a plane to the ball. This is a bit confusing.
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:05 PM
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Right Shoulder is a HUGE GEOMETRY PIECE HUGE HUGE HUGE . . . Remember it is a part of the Power Package . . . A Right Shoulder that isn't moved with the correct amount of precision can cause plane line shifting and bending . . . the Hands can only do so much to overcome Shoulder Motion (steming from Knee Action, Hip Action, Axis Tilt) that isn't in compliance with the selected Plane Angle.
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The Hands Direct the Pivot to
Move the Right Shoulder to
Move the Right Elbow to
Move the Right Forearm to
Direct the Hands.
Right Hand Clubhead
Left Hand Clubface

The Right Shoulder is the part of the Pivot that directs the entire Power Package. Force and Alignment in one component.
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
The Hands Direct the Pivot to
Move the Right Shoulder to
Move the Right Elbow to
Move the Right Forearm to
Direct the Hands.
Right Hand Clubhead
Left Hand Clubface

The Right Shoulder is the part of the Pivot that directs the entire Power Package. Force and Alignment in one component.

Add knees hips and spine and you gots it covered.
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Old 06-21-2009, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Right Shoulder is a HUGE GEOMETRY PIECE HUGE HUGE HUGE . . . Remember it is a part of the Power Package . . . A Right Shoulder that isn't moved with the correct amount of precision can cause plane line shifting and bending . . . the Hands can only do so much to overcome Shoulder Motion (steming from Knee Action, Hip Action, Axis Tilt) that isn't in compliance with the selected Plane Angle.
Couldn't agree more. An on plane right shoulder in the downswing is not an option, it is mandatory for Acquired to Full motions.

The hardest part for me was allowing the right shoulder to play it's proper role while Swinging - but Chuck Evan's vids over at Medicus eventually cleared the fog for me.
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Couldn't agree more. An on plane right shoulder in the downswing is not an option, it is mandatory for Acquired to Full motions.

The hardest part for me was allowing the right shoulder to play it's proper role while Swinging - but Chuck Evan's vids over at Medicus eventually cleared the fog for me.

What is the title of the video over there?
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