[Anonymous]

Originally Posted by rwh

I think we all agree there is no Plane Shift on the Downstroke as Els' hands come directly down the Turned Shoulder Plane. However, because Els does not address the ball with an on-plane Right Forearm, the angle of inclination of the clubshaft (and his hands) are positioned several inches below the Turned Shoulder Plane. His hands don't arrive on the Turned Shoulder Plane until about shoulder high (the Top). That would be a single shift -- Elbow to Turned Shoulder.

You're spot on rwh- it's what I've always said. So what if Hip Turn is Standard and Hip Action is Delayed-- these other component variations are of no significance regarding Plane Variation-- it's completely irrelevant.

EDIT: ok Delaware, I will let you off your Zero Shift theory of Els if you're referring to no shift in the downstroke- but that's a different matter. There ain't no component based solely on downstroke plane variation.

The comment about hip action is totally wrong.....standard hip action will give one a double shift....look no further than the 4 barrel stroke from the 3rd edition. With a right forearm takeaway, delayed hip action and a Top Arc and Straight line delivery path one can achieve a zero shift plane angle. It's one of the reasons both stroke patterns in the book have zero shift basic plane angles. Hmmmm your comments in this section are telling me how much you guys lack in understanding component integration. The golfer who lacks the understanding of educated hands and who doesn't understand the delivery path concept and desires length off the tee can easily turn a right forearm takeaway and delayed hip action into a "Top Arc and Angle Path delivery path" and create a double shift (study 2-H). It appears to me you guys don't have a full understanding of delivery paths.....years of experimentation and study lead me to the above conclusion.

DG