Thrust Relative to Plane
 

Have been trying hitting all summer. I believe I started playing golf as a hitter, but then learned the "right" way.

Anyway, I've watched the videos here, read forums, etc. I have not quite seen the answer to I think a pretty fundamental question:

Is the right arm thrust along the plane or from inside across? I know it is down and out (and across?). But, does the elbow sit on the swing plane and the thrust is then along the plane or does the elbow sit inside the plane pushing down and across with the left arm and shaft on plane?

I've been experimenting with the elbow inside feeling (I know that may or may not be what's actually happening). Seems so effortless on the distance with my irons.

(I've read the yellow book through once and will start again...)

Welcome to LBG Brian and thanks for the really great question.

On-Plane Thrust/Aiming

Do I interpret On Plane force to mean my right elbow is on the plane so that the unfolding produces the On Plane force?

Brian,

In your original post and this one at what point of the swing are you talking about the right elbow being on the plane, I think its a good question.

The #3 Pressure Point Thrusts against the Center of Gravity (Sweetspot) of the Clubhead. So, the #3 PP and the Clubhead Sweetspot are always On-Plane.

The Elbow is not on the Sweetspot Plane (Swing-Plane) until Impact unless the #3 PP and Clubhead Sweetspot are on the Elbow Plane. Using the Elbow Plane as your Swing-Plane, then the Elbow will arrive On-Plane at Release. Then, your Right Forearm, Right Elbow, #3 PP and Sweetspot of the Clubhead all travel the Plane from Release through the Impact Interval. The Elbow is not On-Plane from Ball Separation to Both Arms Straight.

With the TSP, the Right Elbow becomes On-Plane (on the Sweetspot Plane) at Impact and can remain On-Plane till Both Arms Straight in the Follow-through.

This is the portion that is very confusing to me because my hands and pp#3 travel down the TSP to impact while the sweet spot of the clubhead comes down the elbow plane, and usually drops below it right before impact.

What should be fixed, the hands need to get lower to the elbow plane? or the club needs to be swing "out" more to get on the TSP?

This is a "way of looking at things" problem.

The "#3 PP" and "Sweetspot-of-the-Clubhead" are the Plane. They define the Plane of the moving Golf Club. The Elbow and TS Plane are reference points only.

The solution is not to swing on one Plane or the other. The solution is to have the #3 PP and Clubhead swing on the same Plane throughout the Swing. The goal is to use the same Plane from Top to Follow-through and beyond.

It does not sound like this is your problem. It sounds like your Clubhead and #3 PP are on the same plane. It sounds like your Plane has rotated to the Right and you are swinging severely inside-out, across the line: an Inside-Out Stroke. I could be wrong, but it sounds like that to me.

I think that sums it up well, here is a photo I snapped. I just look at that and say "hack", though I am a 5 handicap down from 10 when I joined here. This is the shaft, elbow and TSP. My club started down the TSP to this point, you can see the clubhead is on the elbow plane and it continues down to just below impact.

Thats why the right elbow position was interesting to me from the original post.

I think I have an addiction that I don't quite understand, no matter how well I play or hit I can't help but thinking its just not good enough. Is that weird?

From you address position , what would your right arm motion be like if you threw a stone or another golf ball at your golf ball. It'd like a side armed stone skipping motion sort of, right? And so it is in golf as well for longer shots, Major Basic Strokes. "The Right Arm Throw" is a Throw.

Although for a short shot,putting ,chipping maybe there is the Push Basic , Minor Basic Stroke that is more of an in line arm extension deal that can as an option be aligned so it pushes straight towards the target or parallel left or whatever. To attempt to do this for a full shot is a common misconception for a new Hitter I think. It was for me anyways.

I love Daryl's references especially 1-L-15 .......basically you are thrusting until your right arm is straight. Thrusting down and out towards the Plane Line all the way to Both Arms Straight , Follow Through. Way past impact , or low point. Despite the fact the clubhead is moving Up and In. There is more down and out to be had than most people realize is possible, way more.