Ernest Jones Versus Ben Hogan
 

"Swing The Clubhead" by Ernest Jones Versus "Ben Hogan's Five Lessons"

Do we find both swings in "The Golfing Machine"??? If so....Where???


DG

With his 1937 book, Ernest Jones earned lifetime spurs in golf's teaching arena. He could demonstrate his concepts and got results from his students.

Unfortunately, absent his specific hands-on intruction, his advice to Swing the Clubhead was (and is) interpreted by the masses to be from the Wrists. This is the antithesis of the core concept of The Golfing Machine: Swing the Hands(via the Pivot and Arm Swing).

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Sorry, the second paragraph is partially correct. Nice try!!!

What famous golfer swung the golf club like the way Ernest Jones taught the golf swing? This famous golfer competed against Ben Hogan in many a tournament.

DG

DG

Are you saying swinging from the wrists is in TGM, as a method not a fault? Surely not.

I can only say that my game has gone to another level since I rid myself of any traces of this. I encourage others to seek out the meaning of "swing the hands not the clubhead" as it it meant in a TGM sense. Do it today!

I suppose Mr Jones could have another meaning attached to a very similar phrase. As could Eddy Merrins, "swing the handle"?

But Ill play along. Who then and in what Ernest Jones like manner is represented in TGM? I havent read it.

ob

Not having a leg to stand on.
 

Nice Try? Enlighten us AJ "Tom" DG.

What famous golfers did he teach? While he mostly taught women, he did do limited work with Lawson Little and George "Pete" Bostwick. Your Point?

BTW, some of the successful women he work with were Virginia Van Wie and Marion Hollis.

10-24-E Wrist Throw.

Slammin Sam
 

The golfer I'm refering to is the one and only Sam Snead. Checkout the approach of both Ben and Sam at the end of the "Shell's Wonderful World of Golf" the match between Sam and Ben. For more details on Sam's approach, buy Sam's book "Sam Snead Teaches You His Simple "Key" approach to GOLF"...Sam triggers the swing down with the last two fingers of his left hand. Ernest Jones references using the left hand to control the swing (page 65 of the Golf Digest edition of "Swing the Clubhead"...Ernest Jones references Sam Snead's golf swing in the book). Tom Tomasello references the left hand (10-24-E a wrist throw utilizing the left hand)...the right arm and wrist are passive) as "ONE" way to swing a golf club (It appears it was very lucrative for Mr. Snead). I say the model for the 12-2-0 Swinging Stroke pattern is more of a Sam Snead model than Ben Hogan....no doubt. Slammin Sam....I'm sorry, I've done my homework!!!

DG

Here's a little from "Golf Lessons from Sam Snead" (p.54) which correlates with what DG is saying.
"When you start the club down you have the feeling of pulling down with the last two fingers of the left hand. The left hand does the work and the right hand comes in when you are ready to uncock the wrists. Wait as long as possible before uncocking. Save your power until it counts - at the point of impact."

Swinging From the Wrist
 

Component Variation 10-24-E is the Automatic Snap Release. It may or may not be actuated by the Wrist Throw Release Trigger (10-20-E). These two Variations are often paired (especially for Swingers), but they are not the same. In any event, by definition, the Wrist Throw Release Trigger is executed at Release, not during the Start Down.

In contrast, "Swinging from the Wrist" (6-H-0-B / Hand Action Imperatives / First three editions) is the Hand Throw Release Trigger (10-20-A) which is executing the Release of the Left Wristcock (#2 Accumulator) immediately during the Start Down. This early Action produces too long a Release Interval -- "big" pulley wheel per Sketch 2-K-#6 and 7-23 -- and as a result, the Clubhead passes the Hands prior to Impact. This the classic Throwaway Sequence of Wrist Action, Overacceleration and Quitting (6-D-0/1/2/3).

In the first three editions, the Throwaway sequence was listed in a different order: Overacceleration, Wrist Action and Quitting. These mirrored the Three Hand Action Imperatives of 6-H-0 (which Homer wrote in 'All caps' for emphasis):

A. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST UNINTENTIONAL CHANGE OF PRESSURE POINT PRESSURE.

B. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST MOVE TO SWING THE CLUB FROM THE WRIST;

C. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST PREPARATION TO BRING THE HANDS TO A STOP.

In other words, the slightest 'pushing away' (7-19) with the right forefinger (#3 Pressure Point) from the Top triggers the early Release of the Left Wristcock and ultimately, Quitting. This is what is so insidious about an incorrect concept of 'Swing the Clubhead': Almost all golfers slow or stop their Hands during Release and flip the Clubhead past them through Impact. They "flip and swish the club around haphazardly" (3-F-6). They do it on short shots; they do it on long shots; and they do it from the Practice Tee to the 19th Hole. That is why they don't improve.

The correct concept is found in 6-G-0 (Hand Motion):

All motion is focused on driving the Hands -- NOT THE CLUB -- toward the BALL. This may, with habit, seem to become reversed. But this is where and how a player's game "comes apart". The cure is to return to the original primary concen -- the Hands and their Clubhead Lag, Flat Left Wrist and Plane Line.

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Learn to hit the Ball with Hand manipulation rather than with Clubhead manipulation and your game is less likely to keep falling apart.

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George Knudson believed Sam Snead misinterpreted the feel of a pull of the left hand. George believed the transfer of weight from the right foot to the left foot caused this misperception because the player was not pulling but being pulled and the feel of a pull was the effects of centrifugal force. He claimed if you consciously pull, you will destroy your swing plane.

The truth is a slippery little devil!