Hogans Vertical Drop
 

Where is the relationship between Hogans vertical drop at the top of his swing to the golf machine principles?
1-two plane
2-float loading
hope you understand this question

You are on it . . . Plane shift . . . swinging from the feet (pivot lag) . . . hips sliding . . . . float loading . . . . as HennyBogan has discussed with me . . . . Mr. Hogan "float loaded" and released the angle. So basically he sets it and sets a bunch but he releases it. It's not like he sets the angle and just HANGS ON. The accumulators are releasing. Particularly #4. As you have noticed the vertical drop . . . he gets his arms swinging FAST (accumulators releasing).

Great stuff Bucket.

Id add that, you can vertical drop (a shift at top or end to a lower plane, turned shoulder to elbow etc etc) and still be on "the" plane. Confusing I know.

Here is a nice graphic describing the relationship between shifting planes and still being on plane. OOps link didnt work.

Go to;

Gallery, free videos, "quick jump" drop down menu at the bottom of the page, golf animations, 1-L-18

Hope this works. I love the dang thing.

1-L-18 "Changing the plane angle has no effect on the plane line"

You can have more planes than an airport and still be on plane. Not wanting to speak ill of anyone or any theories but the "One Plane," "Two Plane" thing is imprecisely defined and aligned by comparison. If that is what you are referring to.

OB

vertical drop
 

This motion is fast becoming a real solid feel to it,the feeling of compression is great,the one fault with it for me is sometimes I unintentionally forget to roll the forearms through impact and tend to cut ball,but I do realise whats happening and correct quickly,it just a matter of trusting the feel...cheers

this feels very good and hits well at 1/2 speed,but gets wobbly when I speed up,may be due to over accel "in wrong place",but it is making me realise the importance of the pivot,looks like I will have to learn this via aquired motion type practice. Any tips here guys..Thanks in advance

Since you recently returned to hitting, Im wondering if you might have one or two left over swinging procedures that may be contributing to this cut shot. Hard to say without seeing video. Namely start up swivel or perhaps a grip or face angle issue.

If you are hitting there is normally no start up swivel, angled hinging not horizontal in start up and therefor an associated feeling on the downswing of very little, if any number 3 or release swivel for that matter.

The right shoulder takes the bent right arm to release and then #1 fires, extends, with the right wrist staying frozen in its impact fix degree of bend. Lag pressure sensed against the #3 pp. Thrust sensed mainly against pp#1. Angled hinging being a no roll feel.

Now if you arent employing start up swivel and are still cutting the shot---that is an open club face at impact as opposed to a cross line clubhead path through the ball-----then you might want to check your clubface angle in fix and your grip. Make sure; your grip is not too weak (you could try 10-2-D) and your club face is slightly closed at fix. Angled hinging with its slower rate of closing needs some adjustments at fix to compensate.

If this still doenst fix the cut shot you may be float loading.

I dont wish to bring harm to Brownman's swing here so please feel to correct me here anybody. At the very least this will give you a couple of things to research. See chapter 12-1 vis a vis 12-2.

And remember free advice is always, always worth every penny spent, which is zero.

ob

Floating
 

You may have hit the nail on the head OB,I know Im doing something basically wrong here.
A couple of questions if I may(this mey turn on some lights)
1...whats the difference between "float" and V/drop
2...what is compatible with the two and what is a no-no with each
Hope you follow me......with thanks

[quote=brownman;60680]You may have hit the nail on the head OB,I know Im doing something basically wrong here.
A couple of questions if I may(this mey turn on some lights)
1...whats the difference between "float" and V/drop
2...what is compatible with the two and what is a no-no with each
Hope you follow me......with thanks[/QUOTE




Being entirely underqualified to answer this Id say:

1. Vertical drop is in reference to the hands dropping straight down when viewed from a down the line perspective when regarding a golfer who employs a plane shift in transition. Dont think "vertical drop" is in the book but plane shift sure is. This is from a higher plane to a lower plane. From say the turned shoulder plane to the elbow plane. Just one way of doing things.

Float loading is one of the three defined ways to load the power accumulators. Drag (normally a swingers thing), drive (hitter) and float. Float being like say Byron Nelson who didnt have a lot left wrist cock say at top but saw it increase some on the way down. It applies to all the power accumulators though, not just #2.

As a side issue a person who employs a shift to a lower plane in transition can optically be perceived to be float loading when he really isnt (or isnt too the degree you think you see). This illusion is due to the more oblique angle on which we regard his #2 left wrist cock.

2. I got nothing. Help me somebody!

But knowing that you are a hitter, I would say the hitter normally stops at top and in so doing keeps the #3 pp in place on the first joint in the index finger, focuses more on the right forearm flying wedge, the frozen right wrist, the pressure points 1 and 3, an active hard boxers like punch extension of the right arm in delivery and doesnt have a lot of feel for #2 or #3. Angled hinging being a no roll feel.

Take a look at this hitting genius; click on "ted wedge side view".

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=515

Bet this little wedge is going about 145 yards or so. Nice little #1 there, aint it.

Dont let the swingers #2 left wrist cock intoxicate/fool you, its not the only story on power, pretty though it is. I liken it to the push up bra, me being a hitter and all. Sometimes things aren't as massive as advertised.

ob

very qualified
 

Thanks OB,your replies are clear and concise,I think I get a better understanding of my own questions thanks to your input,allow me a couple of hours to digest info,I will try to look at homers book and decipher.
Thanks again my friend

Thanks Brownman

These arent my insights only a distillation of what I have learned right here.

Thanks be to Yoda. (TBTY)


Regards

ob

PS I think it was VJ who said "Homer wants us to extend our right arms (passively or actively) with different amounts of right wrist bend". I find this to be very profound and with implications for the shotmaker.