"All you got is your right tricept" Lynn Blake
 

"If you start using the right tricept too soon you are dead" Lynn also said.

What might be the a trigger point to focus on to allow proper timing for the beginning of the right forearms thrust to low point. On a slightly different subject, I am spending most of my practice time working on improving my lagging procedure. Already while I am executing my start down waggle, I also have to focus on my down hinge in an attempt to increase the lag storage for my swing. Any thoughts on the coordination of the right forearm thrust with the necessity of avoiding losing any lag pressure prematurely. Does the right forearm play an active role in helping to sustain the lag, or is that the sole responsibility of the storing left wrist.

You do not want the right arm to straighten before impact. This is running out of right arm. Remember- just past Low point- which is just in front of the ball does the right arm fully become straight. A hitter stops at the Top- shoulder high and On Plane. The Pivot Lag Train will prevent over the top and keep the body ahead of the Hands. The correct use of the Right Shoulder is the key.
A Hitter needs to set his Flying Wedges and leave them be until Impact.
Pivot Lag keeps the hands back so you don't run out of right arm too soon. Trust Impact Fix alignments of your Wedges.

"focus on my down hinge"- this is Float Loading Accumulator Lag. This is something not usually done by a Hitter.

"Does the right forearm play an active role in helping to sustain the lag, or is that the sole responsibility of the storing left wrist."

Storing the left wrist is solely Accumulator Lag. Outside of TGM- it is what everyone thinks of as Lag - the Lag of Hogan or Garcia. But TGM has three types of Lag - Pivot Lag, Accumulator Lag and Clubhead Lag.

Pivot Lag is the dragging of components in sequence from the bottom up.
Accumulator Lag is an out of line condition of the Flail- it is loaded- cocked and released. I think this is what you want to do better. Set your Wedge alignments and trust them as a Hitter. A Hitter loads his right elbow.
Clubhead Lag is the Pressure of the club against Pressure point three. You will feel this pressure, not the clubhead, as you change direction in the stroke. The feel of the pressure points is everything, the feel of the dead weight of the clubhead is nothing without pressure point feel. The right forearm does lead the clubhead to impact On Plane as part of the right half of the Flying Wedges.

I would work on keeping the right elbow bent longer in the stroke and try to hit moles in the head at low point.


Sustain all types of Lag.

"HIT MOLES IN THE HEAD AT LOW POINT"-that just made me laugh:laughing9

Thanks!! Thats was a nice contribution to timing my right forearm thrust.

I understand. I have bveen spending some time with Bobby Clampett's new book and have some nice dividends to show for my efforts. I have acquired some delicious new distance working hard on creating lag, and then sustaining it. I use some of the concepts you suggest as well. Particularly I love the idea of hitting the ball with my pressure points. I am trying hard to get better at feeling the lag in pressure points #1 and #3. I absolutely love using pressure point number 3 in my chipping, and have recently added it to my putting in the hope of developing its potential further. Having made some nice progress with lag creation and back hinging as I start down, I would hate to give those techniques up, unless I am confident that I will end up with something better. So I am testing the different lagging techniques empirically to find out what works best for me. Thanks for the new suggestions in this regard. (One of the things I noticed in watching Hitter's Row video is that Lynn Blake's wrist angles near the top of his back swing, are much more acute than Ted Fort's. I wonder what Lynn does when he hits instead of swings. Does he change to a hitter's lag techniques, or does he use what he already does so well? ) Anyone know?

Something else I really really like from Bobby Clampett is that he believes a golfer should take a divot that continues 4 inches in front of the impact point. That concept has resulted in a significantly improved ball flight for me. It particularly works especially great out of the sand trap. I do a drill in the sand trap where I draw a line in the sand, and then concentrate on hitting the line (the ball) and taking a 4 inch divot had of the line. I guess that means that I am aiming for mole heads significantly in front my impact point instead of just in front of impact. Do you strongly disagree with Bobby Claimpett suggestion?

"Mind in the Hands" is a video I made for Lynn- it talks about hitting the ball with the PP of the Hands. PP#3 is the clubhead- be careful not to be too active with it as it will produce "throw-away."

Lynn uses Standard Left Wrist Action which in the back swing turns the wrists to the right past Top to the End - a Swinger's prodcedure. This allows the Hands to roll with the the Wrist Throw and Drag Loading to produce CF.
Ted- a Hitter uses Single Left Wrist Action which has no wrist turn and loads to the Top (shoulder Height). This is what Lynn and all Hitters do. The Single Left Wrist Action loads Lag at the Top- shoulder height.

I have not read Clampett's book. A divot is produced in front of the ball becasue the ball is located UP PLANE and you are striking DOWN Plane to Low Point that is located just in front of the ball. As long as the Line of Compression is through the ball heading to Low Point- the length of the divot is not important. It would vary from club to club and ball location fro that club.
I would not impact the ball out of the bunker the same way you strike a ball on a fairway.
Ben Doyle has drills in the bunker that teaches the student Lag, Thrust and Impact Alignments because the sand makes for a great visual aid. The drills are not meant to produce bunker shots- just teach. Ben teaches in the bunker all the time but not bunker shots.


Explore the Flying Wedges, take the Hands out of the shot and rely on the Machine's alignments to produce great G.O.L.F. shots

All you got is your right tricept
 

I learned to concentrate on hitting the ball with pressure points in the hands from a video featuring both Lynn and Ben. Is that the one you made? It definitely encouraged me to try and use my pressure points more in my swing.

I invested over two weeks working on lagging according the Bobby Claimpett. I got additional distance and better more consistent ball flight. I hate to undo a something that has helped my game. I remember a video suggesting that the right elbow loads the hitters left wrist. But, I can do a lot more loading with Clampett's procedure and I have difficulty unilaterally giving back some of the lag I have been enjoying so much.

I wonder if it would be too much trouble for your to suggest what the advantage to me would be with the lagging method Ted Fort uses as a hitter that compensates for its disadvantage of a lower amount of initial lag loading?

I believe Clampett suggests that low point be quite a bit further ahead than just in front of the ball.

That is exactly how the drill I was doing worked, which makes sense because Clampett learned from Doyle. I didn't do the drills to improve my sand shots. I did them to teach myself to move my low point further ahead. The strange thing was that after I did the drills, my sand shots improved as an unexpected bonus. Being able to sustain my lag much later, gave me the ability to hit much more powerful sand shots when the pin was a significant distance from bunker.

I invested over two weeks working on lagging according the Bobby Claimpett. I got additional distance and better more consistent ball flight. I hate to undo a something that has helped my game. I remember a video suggesting that the right elbow loads the hitters left wrist. But, I can do a lot more loading with Clampett's procedure and I have difficulty unilaterally giving back some of the lag I have been enjoying so much.

Clampett is not a Hitter- he uses a Swing Stroke Pattern. He would not use Single Left Wrist Action or stop at the Top. He would go to End with Standard Left Wrist Action and use Drag loading to ‘throw’ his wrists- Acc#2 and #3 to create CF. A Pull induced Throw-out.

A Hitter, does not use CF throw-out. A Hitter uses Drive Loading from the Top not the End and pushes the whole club, head and shaft into the ball. A pushing driving Right Arm with muscle power.

I would say if you are following Clampett- you are a Swinger, not a Hitter since you have Swinger components. I never suggested you not do what is working, just be aware that you ain’t a Hitter.

I wonder if it would be too much trouble for your to suggest what the advantage to me would be with the lagging method Ted Fort uses as a hitter that compensates for its disadvantage of a lower amount of initial lag loading?

You are mixing up components. Hitters have No disadvantage with loading Lag. And I think you see Accumulator Lag as the only “Lag.” A Hitter use Pivot Lag to set up a powerful platform to Drive from and uses as much Clubhead Lag as a Swinger. Accumulator Lag is the only Lag that is released. A Swinger drags and releases them sequentially, whereas a Hitter mashes down on the ball releasing them simultaneously.

I believe Clampett suggests that low point be quite a bit further ahead than just in front of the ball.


I can't see how. If you study The Geometry of the Circle, you will see that the Low Point is just in front of the ball- an inch at most. Any further in the Circle becomes an elongated oval which is not what Homer teaches. The whole RFT is to allow the stroke pattern and golfer to have the best ideal swing shape. With the Low point in front of the ball, the ball lies just UP on the incline plane- this allows perfect Line of Compression. If the Low point of the stroke was four inches in front of the ball and still a circle, the ball would have to be on a Tee.

The divot can be four inches but low point would be before the divot ended.


You are a Swinger wink- nothing wrong with that. Drive that elbow deep into the stroke and have fun.

On Fire!
 

6B,

As your very distant cousin "12-Piece" might say.... you have been "on fire" with so many of your posts lately! Keep up the good work... you have developed a "near-Yoda" type grasp of the book!:salut:

CG

Thank You but it is a VERY very distant near. We all know that Lynn is "da man" or is it that he is "da Yoda" of the Yellow Book. Nobody knows it or more importantly, explains it better than LB. Many of us have been lucky to spend time with the green guy and pick his brain.

I alternated shots, back and forth, on the practice tee this morning to try to figure out what procedure to take to the course, there is a senior tournament this weekend that I am participating in. First I hit the best shot possible using my best hitters lagging procedure followed by start down waggle and then right arm thrust. Next I used the more complete loading technique I learned from Clampett's book on the next shot.
With the exception of the lag loading procedure used, I tried very hard to make the two swings identical.

I definitely hit some good shots with each method, but the data indicated a modest benefit from the more thorough lagging technique that I have been learning from Clampett's book. The increase lag creation, seemed to result for me in both a modest distance improvement (6 or 7 yards wedge) and also in a bit more distance and line consistency. Also I esthetically enjoy the superior feel of the more complete loading technique because I can feel the additional power I am bringing to the ball, in my #3 pressure point.

Btw Clampett talks about the low point of his swing (center of his divot) being 4 inches in front of the ball. So that is a substantial difference from what you are talking about. Maybe the different location of low point may have played a minor role and establishing a winner in my test? Thanks very very much for sharing your expertise with me. In particular, your tip about the right shoulder acting as a trigger for the right forearm thrust has improved my timing of when to let my right tricept do its thing.