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tongzilla 01-08-2006 09:53 AM

Intricacies of Hitting and Swinging
 
Is Drag Loading and Drive Loading really what differentiates a Swinger from a Hitter? I have come to the conclusion that the answer is no.

It is possible for you to Drag Load at Startdown and still Push the Club through Impact, so you will ultimately be classified as a Hitter. Or you can Drive Load but Pull the Club with Left Arm Centrifugal Power, hence you're a Swinger. I believe the former is actually quite common on Tour.

Any comments?

YodasLuke 01-08-2006 11:20 AM

drive and drag
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Is Drag Loading and Drive Loading really what differentiates a Swinger from a Hitter? I have come to the conclusion that the answer is no.

It is possible for you to Drag Load at Startdown and still Push the Club through Impact, so you will ultimately be classified as a Hitter. Or you can Drive Load but Pull the Club with Left Arm Centrifugal Power, hence you're a Swinger. I believe the former is actually quite common on Tour.

Any comments?

I would say the prior is 4 barrel hitting, but you can't pull and push at the same time (reference 2-M-3 but correct the typo error of Pressure point #4 to #1 as found in 10-19-C). Per 10-19-A and 10-19-C, I'd have to say that it does differentiate somewhat as they are characteristics found in the first paragraph. But, "true" hitting and "true" swinging (7-2) are only this (and the only place to get this was from Yoda):

"The 'true' swinger allows centrifugal force to align both the clubface and the clubshaft. The 'manipulated hands swinger' allows centrifugal force to align the clubshaft but not the clubface. The 'true' hitter allows centrifugal force to align neither."

I have variations from 12-1-0 that create the 12-4-Ted, but I'm still creating the force with the right triceps through impact. For an example of variation, impact address gives me a better feel for my impact alignments. So, I use it. I would be offended if someone called me a swinger. ;) I'm a 4 barrel hitter. :cool:

comdpa 01-08-2006 11:21 AM

Differentiating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Is Drag Loading and Drive Loading really what differentiates a Swinger from a Hitter? I have come to the conclusion that the answer is no.

It is possible for you to Drag Load at Startdown and still Push the Club through Impact, so you will ultimately be classified as a Hitter. Or you can Drive Load but Pull the Club with Left Arm Centrifugal Power, hence you're a Swinger. I believe the former is actually quite common on Tour.

Any comments?

I don't believe hitting and swinging can be differentiated solely on a single element.

Per 1-F "This, alone, does not properly separate "Hitters" and "Swingers" because it is possible to "Swing" the Club with either Arm but only the Right Arm can actually "Hit" "

Per 10-19-0 "Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging."


What properly differentiates Hitting and Swinging are in 6-H-0. Factors rather than a single factor properly separates them.

6-H-0-E "Associate the following with "Hitting""
6-H-0-F "Associate the following with "Swinging""

YodasLuke 01-08-2006 11:41 AM

6-h-0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by comdpa
I don't believe hitting and swinging can be differentiated solely on a single element.

Per 1-F "This, alone, does not properly separate "Hitters" and "Swingers" because it is possible to "Swing" the Club with either Arm but only the Right Arm can actually "Hit" "

Per 10-19-0 "Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging."


What properly differentiates Hitting and Swinging are in 6-H-0. Factors rather than a single factor properly separates them.

6-H-0-E "Associate the following with "Hitting""
6-H-0-F "Associate the following with "Swinging""

6-H-0 is a good place to spend about ten years.

tongzilla 01-08-2006 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comdpa
I don't believe hitting and swinging can be differentiated solely on a single element.

What properly differentiates Hitting and Swinging are in 6-H-0. Factors rather than a single factor properly separates them.
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Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with you.

You can mix Swinging components/procedures with Hitting components/procedures -- some people call this 'Switting'. But you are either a Hitter or Swinger per my first post on this thread.

tongzilla 01-08-2006 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
I would say the prior is 4 barrel hitting

Wow...does that mean the use of Accumulator #4 for a Hitter necessarily mean you're Drag Loading? Exciting stuff :p

EdZ 01-08-2006 02:18 PM

If I had to pick on 'single' difference between hitting and swinging, I would say 'rotation'.

That said, as Homer defined them, there really isn't any one item beyond thrust vs CF.

Yoda 01-08-2006 02:19 PM

Differentiating The Pivot's Role In Lag Loading
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Wow...does that mean the use of Accumulator #4 for a Hitter necessarily mean you're Drag Loading? Exciting stuff :p

No. The key is in what the Pivot Loads during the Start Down. Hitting, the Pivot Loads the Right Elbow to Drive the Club through Impact. Swinging, the Pivot Loads the Left Wrist to Drag it through.

comdpa 01-08-2006 06:46 PM

Difference in Opinion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with you.

You can mix Swinging components/procedures with Hitting components/procedures -- some people call this 'Switting'. But you are either a Hitter or Swinger per my first post on this thread.

No problems Leo...I was referring to the "pure" models. :mrgreen:

jim_0068 01-08-2006 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla

It is possible for you to Drag Load at Startdown and still Push the Club through Impact, so you will ultimately be classified as a Hitter.

Isn't that what Tomasello is suggesting in the Australian video? It's similar at least.


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