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Thom 01-06-2009 04:32 AM

Hitting and clubface control
 
I'm so right handed by now that I have a hard time letting the the left hand be in charge of the clubface control.

I'll trace the planeline in 1 or 2 practice swings, to get a feel for the plane and the angle of attack (AoA). Then I'll let pp#1 thrust into the inside aft of the ball on that AoA, feeling lagpressure in pp#3, and that pressure is directed passively to the same inside aft point on the ball.

Left hand is very passive, only thing it does is "nothing" in the no roll feel of the angled hinging. But is it all it should do?

Does any of you have a more "active" clubface control than just the hinge action, ie are you pushing the left hand with a feel of the flat left wrist being the clubface??

brownman 01-06-2009 07:23 AM

control
 
Thom,the only thing that I do with the left hand is to manually activate Acc#2,a "little",More a feeling of just assisting the frozen R/wrist to stay frozent impact and keep it there to both arms straight then I roll.This is just my sensation ,Im not saying Im right,its just what I feel. cheers

Thom 01-06-2009 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownman (Post 59906)
Thom,the only thing that I do with the left hand is to manually activate Acc#2,a "little",More a feeling of just assisting the frozen R/wrist to stay frozent impact and keep it there to both arms straight then I roll.This is just my sensation ,Im not saying Im right,its just what I feel. cheers


I would think that would give you horizontal hinging, and be in the switting area...or do I misunderstand something here??

Anyone else on hitting and clubface control??

brownman 01-06-2009 05:24 PM

not switting
 
Not to me ,as the R/forearm travels down and out it will fully uncock L/wrist when both arms straight,I simply sqeeze last 3 fingers and thumb to ensure theres no breakdown

O.B.Left 01-09-2009 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom (Post 59905)
I'm so right handed by now that I have a hard time letting the the left hand be in charge of the clubface control.

I'll trace the planeline in 1 or 2 practice swings, to get a feel for the plane and the angle of attack (AoA). Then I'll let pp#1 thrust into the inside aft of the ball on that AoA, feeling lagpressure in pp#3, and that pressure is directed passively to the same inside aft point on the ball.

Left hand is very passive, only thing it does is "nothing" in the no roll feel of the angled hinging. But is it all it should do?

Does any of you have a more "active" clubface control than just the hinge action, ie are you pushing the left hand with a feel of the flat left wrist being the clubface??



Yes I feel very much like you describe when hitting. Angled hinging being a no roll feel.

I dont personally feel the flat left wrist but rather the frozen, bent right wrist as being driven into the ball. I also feel the right forearm flying wedge as being held intact throughout the swing. Its all very right sided to me and the bent right wrist seems key.

The only time I feel the left wrist is in the finish swivel (clubshaft control) when the left wrist actively rolls the club shaft back onto the inclined plane. But here too I FEEL the right wrist as trying to keep its bend. The forces may in fact straighten it out for a bit ,but the perception of the two wrists as having different jobs has helped me a lot. Previously I think I actively rolled both wrists. An over swivel.


This is where I am at now anyways.

OB

Thom 01-10-2009 07:30 AM

OB Left
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 60007)
Yes I feel very much like you describe when hitting. Angled hinging being a no roll feel.

I dont personally feel the flat left wrist but rather the frozen, bent right wrist as being driven into the ball. I also feel the right forearm flying wedge as being held intact throughout the swing. Its all very right sided to me and the bent right wrist seems key.

The only time I feel the left wrist is in the finish swivel (clubshaft control) when the left wrist actively rolls the club shaft back onto the inclined plane. But here too I FEEL the right wrist as trying to keep its bend. The forces may in fact straighten it out for a bit ,but the perception of the two wrists as having different jobs has helped me a lot. Previously I think I actively rolled both wrists. An over swivel.


This is where I am at now anyways.

OB

OB Left, thanks for your comment, and your username is my problem too, on bad days.

I see the problem could be caused by a couple of things:

-Thrusting too much towards target, over the top move, bend planeline.

-Running out of right arm, caused by thrusting too early, causing clubhead throw away, causing the left wrist to bend.

-Faulty hinge action, often caused by turning the left wrist too much in the backswing, causing more of a horisontal hinge action and closing the clubface too much through impact.

-Swiveling too early.



I've been to the range twice this week. First time I really found my swing/hit. All clubs was just point and shoot, from partial wedges to bombing the driver down the middle:golf: Yesterday, there was a quite strong headwind, and I was apple to pullhook my 9 iron 30-50 yards left of target every time:BangHead:

I've started writing down a checklist of things to remember before starting to hit shots, but of cause I didn't read it before starting yesterday:( , but the sensation of not turning the left wrist too much in the backswing is something I need to repeat 50 times to myself before starting from now on.



Ted - would you care to comment on this subject? Please!

O.B.Left 01-10-2009 07:40 PM

Extensor action, the frozen right wrist, impact hands, no startup swivel helps me out with club face control. Axis tilt promoting the on plane move of the right shoulder has helped me out tremendously with the bent plane line.

I do two start down waggles for every pull on the range. Works every time. No more round housing, no more early extension of the right arm either.

The right shoulder takes the bent right arm into release! Sequencing. I love it, love it.

Thanks to Ted and Lynn

OB

Yoda 01-10-2009 10:29 PM

Fish and Swimming Lessons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 60028)

Extensor action, the frozen right wrist, impact hands, no startup swivel helps me out with club face control. Axis tilt promoting the on plane move of the right shoulder has helped me out tremendously with the bent plane line.

I do two start down waggles for every pull on the range. Works every time. No more round housing, no more early extension of the right arm either.

The right shoulder takes the bent right arm into release! Sequencing. I love it, love it.

Thanks to Ted and Lynn

The fire is in your own application, O.B.

You make any teacher look good!

:salut:

Meanwhile, the LBG Private Academy / Toronto / May 25-27 is fully booked. See you then!

O.B.Left 01-11-2009 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 60031)
The fire is in your own application, O.B.

You make any teacher look good!

:salut:

Meanwhile, the LBG Private Academy / Toronto / May 25-27 is fully booked. See you then!



Thanks Lynn, this old fish is hoping to dine on some big fish during tournament season this summer. TBD.

OB

drewitgolf 01-11-2009 01:11 PM

"Sole" Brother
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 60035)
Thanks Lynn, this old fish is hoping to dine on some big fish during tournament season this summer. TBD.

OB

Does "The Judge" qualify as a big fish ?


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