The 7th Edition....
 

Yoda,

Today, I was in my car listening to cassette tapes of my 3 day school with Tom Tomasello....and at one point in the conversation Tommy mentioned that he had a copy of the 7th edition. It sounded like it was a published edition.....hmmmmm that was 1993.....recently, I was under the impression that the 7th edition is only in note form and it needs to be published??? What's the latest on the final edition???

Tommy also mentioned on the tape that he had 120 one hour cassette tapes of his 10-day school with Homer....the first authorized class of TGM on tape. At the time, someone in New York was making copies of the tapes!!! I wonder who has them now??? A copy of those tapes would be awesome!!! Something like that should be in the PGA Golf Museum in New Jersey...

DG

Homer's Written And Spoken Word
 

Homer Kelley died on Valentine's Day, February 14, 1983. On his desk was the completed 7th Edition of The Golfing Machine. In the intervening twenty-two years, the official word has been: "The 7th Edition will be published soon." To date, that promise remains unfulfilled.

The recent sale of the entire rights to former co-owner Joe Daniels ushers in a new day and a new promise. The work is there. It has been there. It has only to be published by those with the right to do so. And so the Golf World waits. Go to www.thegolfingmachine.com to to learn of any progress and to email your thoughts.

Regarding the 1981 Master Class with Alex Sloan, Tom Tomasello and Larry Aspinson: The nine-day class was the first of only three Homer lived to conduct. It was indeed audio-taped -- unfortunatey, the 120 hours is a bit of a stretch -- and has now been converted to CD. As have been the second and third Master Classes, including my own in January 1982.

Whether or not that Collection belongs in a PGA golf museum is debatable. Remember, there already is the USGA site, not to mention my personal choice, the World Golf Hall of Fame!

Until then, continue to read my posts. When you do, you are 'listening' to the recorded words of Homer Kelley:

All of them...

Money?

When I spoke with Don Shaw the other week, he told me he put up the money to publish the third edition of the book - about 3,000 dollars. He didn't expect to make any money doing this, as he told me. He so badly wanted the information to be known- for his own satisfaction and others. He succeeded. I hope Joe gets the magic number seven out.

No Problem
 

As Robert Schuller said years ago in his book Possibility Thinking: "There is never a Money Problem. There is only an Idea Problem."

With regards to The Golfing Machine, trust me:

There is no Idea Problem...

TGM History
 

Yoda,

Thanks for the update....it's great to know a major piece of TGM history has been preserved.

To perserving TGM history and Homer's genius!!!

Cheers,

DG

I believe the site I commented on was the USGA site in New Jersey...sorry for any confusion.

book sales
 

according to Amazon.com, here are some random books and their sales ranking for all books:

The Golfing Machine- # 42,283
Dantes Four magic moves- # 36,386
Jorgenson’s The Physics of Golf- # 32,394
Lochran and Stobbs- Search for the Perfect... # 212,600
Flick’s On Golf- # 234,954
Percey’s On Learning Golf- # 43,094
Tiger’s How I play Golf - # 2,671
LAWS- # 171,346
De la Torre Understanding the golf Swing- # 2,493 - a top seller
Hebron’s Secrets and Lies - # 37,090
E. Jones’s Swing the Clubhead- # 837
Hogan’s Five Lesson’s # 608 number 1 BEST SELLER
Penick’s Little Red Book- # 2,229
Pelz- Short Game- # 1,344
E. Els Build a Perfect Swing- # 69,030
and the first book I ever bought,
Toski/Love, How to Feel a Real Golf Swing - #59,561


These numbers change almost instantly- and where recorded 10:30ish Friday night.

Hogan's Five Lessons Needs A Warning Label
 

While there is much valuable information in Hogan's Five Lessons, there are two grossly distorted concepts not employed by The Man himself:

1. The banded, 'elbow-pockets up' Arms.

2. The over-the-shoulders pane of glass and its baseline downstroke shift to the right of target.

For the above misrepresentations of the Flying Wedges and the Inclined Plane, the book should come with a warning label.

Caveat Emptor.

Re: Hogan's Five Lessons Needs A Warning Label
 

Someday- "Golfing with Yoda" will be a NATIONAL bestseller and the all time number one golf instruction book- someday soon.

Hogan's elbows up and bent swing plane are his two "Seems as Ifs."
All golfers needs "Seems as Ifs"- its their personal FEEL. It is their feel from their mechanics but it is not excatly what is being reproduced. This is why you can never learn from FEEL instructors.

Another case in point, this months huge Golf Digest Issue, Mr Toski claims the swing should gain speed like a canoe going over a falls. Crapes, I'll pass on that "seems as if."

btw: once again Chuck Cook has wonderful instruction as he explains Payne Stewart's chipping at Pinehurst in '99.

Yoda has the potential to write the most successful Golf Instruction Manual in history in my opinion. His success has been proven again and again of late with everyone that see's him and Ted giving unbelievable reviews. Homer's work thru Yoda is certified dynamite.

Chuck Cook is always interesting Mike. I have his book and it's a nice read. I have hundreds of golf instructionals and probably the three best excepting TGM of course are Hank Johnson's, Cook's and Hebron's, all TGM men ;) With not much practice i used a lot of TGM on the course today and started to hit the ball very solid.

Now Yoda, about that book :D

I think Yoda could write a great book, however any book that wants to SELL needs to be "co-written" in a sense for the golfing "masses." We understand Yoda and the way he responds to posts, well some of us lol, but if you want to impact many, it is going to have to be "dumb downed."

No Problemo
 

I'll have no problem 'dumbing' down, Jim.

Ask my wife. :roll:

lol.....i hope you didn't take my post the wrong way.

Jim, you should try the yellow book with this forum as a guide. It is worth buying and reading.

Drivers Wanted
 

Not at all, Jim. In fact, I agree with you 100 percent. As Homer Kelley himself once stated: "They [most golfers] don't want to be mechanics; they just want to be good little car steer-ers."

My book will be for 'drivers' -- not 'mechanics' -- but with enough detail to justify the recommended procedures.

I have two things to say to that:

1) paralysis by analysis....i get it sometimes from the FORUMS, god knows where'd i be with the book! LMAO

2) The great Fred Couples once said in regards to his swing knowledge, "I really don't know anything and what i do know i wish i could forget. Things would be so much easier."

you are a regular
 

1- I would think anyone who posts as often as you do, I would say you are a regular of several TGM forums, would be proud to own the life's work of Homer Kelley. Much paralysis and fog would cease to exist with it. I read that you would never consider owning or reading the book. I think it would surprise. It’s a great read when staying at Holiday Inns. :D


2- Fred Couples none of us are. :wink:

Re: you are a regular
 

I might buy it, just to "have it." But i honestly don't want to read it. I stand by my paralysis by analysis statement. I learn what i can and apply it. Then when i can't, i usually go see Brian. Honestly, thats "enough" for me.


2- Fred Couples none of us are. :wink:[/quote]

Only yoda gets to talk that way :P

Someday, because of The Golfing Machine, we will have enough Brians and Yodas in every state to go see. You are lucky to be near one of them.

Well.....4-6 hours anyway :)

Jim, buy the book
 

Why would you journey this far, to the gates of heaven, and then, not come in?

If Yoda lived 4-6 hrs away from me, soon or later he would have a restraining order issued against me. LOL. 8) :mrgreen: :D :-$ \:D/

Re: Jim, buy the book
 

Because i already know what i need to be a great golfer:

1) a flat left wrist
2) trace a straight plane line
3) have lag pressure....

Anything else that doesn't come up is a lack of one of the above. And then is when i need "help" and i seek it out.

I think if more people just sole focused on the 3 above and not all the finite details, they too would be better golfers.

True you need a hinge action...but if you are swinging, horizontal hinging will occur for you ;)

Either stroke can use any of the three Hinge Actions. Each of the three Hinge Actions represent a valid Clubface Control. Each has its own distinct Rhythm (2-G). Controlling the clubface controls the ball- controlling the ball controls the game. The beauty of being a MachineHead.

One might give up control with a Driver and ALLOW CF to produce a Horizontal Hinge Motion. Same golfer may later adjust ball position with a midiron and SWING applying a Angular Hinge Action to hit a long high fade onto the green. Perhaps a Vertical Hinge Motion with an open lob wedge to a short pin.


Knowing Hinges can be beautiful- :D

And easily learned on the lesson tee.

lol...you guys are cracking me up. I know these things, i can perform all 3 hinges without issue.

However in my experience with REAL golfers (not people on this site who tend to be better ones)

If i can get them to even come CLOSE to the 3 things i listed, i've won a friend and a golfer for life

Just a note on a great use for a Vertical Hinge. In SE PA, we have a lot of formula courses. The greens are elevated, "inverted dishes" with some ridges, surrounded by +/- 3 inch rough. If you are off the green you're not in jail, but you have to think about the shot.

For the chip, Horizontal Hinging isn't going to pop it high enough and you have to deal with more grass. An Angled Hinge might get it up enough, but you have to contend with the roll across a ridge.

The patent shot is an open cut lob, which for myself and my fellow foursome midcappers, is something we shouldn't be fooling with as a staple of our golf diet.

I found if you chip using a Vertical Hinge you can pop the "Flying Dud". Clubface square to the pin, put a firm Push Stroke (make sure it's On-line) down on the ball. It pops up in the air and lands dead, with just a bit of roll. So far, it seems very tolerant of imprecision


Some of the fun is that my partners can't figure out how I'm doing it. I have demoed it right in front of them. But all they noticed was the extending elbow from the Push action. They didn't notice the roll on the backstroke to set the clubface. :) ........ Well, they told me they didn't want to hear anymore talk about LBG/TGM, so I just showed them without explaining it. :)

As always, credit goes to Yoda who explained the Hinge and its relationship/reaction with the ball around the green.

Charlie

The Theodan Flop
 

Move over, Fosbury http://www.muhs.acsu.k12.vt.us/physi...osburyflop.htm ...

We now have The Theodan Flop!