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Boys this is some very important stuff . . . . Very much validation of Homer's stuff . . . excellent . . . kinda gotta get thru some junk in this first one to get to the meat . . bear with the dude. The other ones give you a bit more detail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP26-...sh+div-1r-1-HM

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidcpga#p/u/3/6KN4DNS3gnY

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidcpga#p/u/2/ktXdMtLiiXE

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidcpga#p/u/1/xmOzXCZCYGI

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidcpga#p/u/0/7zCgkXvJYlw

Very good clips. Good find, Hinken!

Good find indeed, the man in the presentations works for the British PGA, and does an excellent job working with pros and trainees making sure the information the instructors have is correct.He is very aware of TGM, and has an excellent understandig of it. I am fortunate enough that next week I am presenting alongside him at The Belfry to about 40 pros. Reeves Weedon will also be with us during our day long seminar.

Peter Principle
 

I like the first video...the one of the picture of the cast from "Family Guy". But, that guy with the sticks kept moving in front of the picture and he never stopped talking...very distracting!

Figured somebody would catch that! Most people got some golf pics . . . sort of a different deal . . . I tried to do a video the pics were a distraction but all the baaaaaaaaaaaaah stuff in the background kinda ruined the audio.

On the Lamb
 

Made you feel a little sheepish?

I like this guys D-Plane videos a little less paniful.
Scroll down to find them.
http://www.youtube.com/user/johngrahamgolf#p/u

Really good . . . saw them too . . . nice guy. Spoke with him today on this stuff.

some great info there

I like Steve's, he's always been great at visual images, it's been a while since I've seen his stuff.

To summarize D Plane - the image of the golf ball with airplane wings along the axis of spin - should help a lot of people get it.

Thanks mb, I really like that guys stuff. Only had time to watch his D plane 2 video but its great.

John Graham is a passionate golf instructior located around Rochester, NY. John and I communicate a lot during the week.

Where can i find the d-plane in Homer's book?

D-Plane comes from Theodore Jorgenson's "The Physics Of Golf." Not a Homer Kelley concept.

Kevin

Well this thread is making its rounds on the net for the "haters".

I dont think Homer knew it all in terms of ball flight but he knew a heck of a lot more than most, even his wording suggests that he knew there was more to this but could not prove it without more sophisticated study.

The direction of the ball will always be practically at right angles to the Clubface

Who are the hater's and what are they saying? Is the direction of the ball at right angles to the face the same as the d-plane? Can you add more to this.

Nope he said practically right angles . . . to be inferred that it wasn't 100% . . . 2-B talks about the tilting of spin axis of the ball also mentioned in 2-D-O more in 2-E. . . homer understood that all divots were down AND OUT . . See 1-L . . . maybe not exact according to Jergenson . . . but he was certainly sniffing it if he didn't have it.

My definition of "haters" in this context would be the guys who feel the only way they can sell their brand of snake oil is to beat everybody else down. Pretty silly that the man who they are targeting has been gone for over 25 years and would have loved to continue growing his knowledge with the new technology...

Kevin

I think the tilting of spin axis of the ball and the divot been down and out aren't enough for your claim about Homer and the d-plane , from what i have read about the d-plane there is alot more to it than that. Seems a bit of a leap.

Is D-Plane D-Answer?
 

From a practical standpoint, what can the D-Plane concept do for you that 1-L #5 through #17 cannot? Also, on what other basis -- practical or theoretical -- is it superior?

:salut:

Is the d-plane Homer's work or not? Just a simple question yes or no. That's all i want to know. It is superior in that it is way more complete in all aspects of ball flight theory than anything Homer wrote, like it or not.

Mike, who said it was Homer Kelley's work?

Kevin

Mike who? Jason is my name and i didn't say anyone said it was Homer's work i just want to know who came up with the theory in the first place Theo.J. or H.K. And from what i read i find it more complete than in the book, that's it.

Got it. Thanks Mike.

What is your problem? I told you my name. I will give you my ph# and you can call me and then after you can apologize for calling me Mike is that cool or I'll call you i got nothing to hide.

There are now two camps, one espousing Kelley’s work the other Jorgensen’s. This is like disputing the value of the chicken over the egg. One is an integral part of the other. One is the machine (1-L #5 through #17) the other the result (D-Plane). Without either both are poorer.
That which increases our understanding of this game should be embraced by all.

I like this question. Anyone know the answer?

For one thing it explains Hogan's ball position chart much more clearly. Where does it say in 1-L 5-17 that one should open their stance as the low point gets further ahead of the ball? One must infer that information themselves based on other statements.

The D-Plane is there to help discern true path as opposed to plane line for the real resultant path of the clubhead during impact. It's been a while since I've brushed up on my TGM but I pulled it out for the sections you cited and cannot find any reference to true path. Is there another location I should be looking besides 1-L 5-17?

Also, something else D-Plane explains is that straighter shots come from higher lofted clubs than longer clubs. That's something I explained in the first video cited but I do not see any such mention by Homer.

I never said Homer came up with the D-plane . . . however in 2-D-0 . . . he clearly says PRACTICALLY right angles to the face . . . didn't give the exact percentage . . . can you?

So he didn't have a video camera . . . a radar machine . . . or a computer . . . he was a lot closer than anybody else . . . was it 100%? Maybe not . . .but pretty dang close . . . and tell your homeeeez to spell my name right . . .

No. Wasn't his . . . We're clearly all to hell about it over here . . . hey Lynnard reckon we outta shut the joint down now . . . gameover . .

Keep real boyz it's been fun . . . tell your boys over there it's Dick Cruz . . . spell it right.

Im going from memory here (Yoda'll know) but I remember an account of Homer saying that the ball leaves at an angle that is about 85 percent due to face angle but that for all practical purposes you may as well say it was 90 degrees as a rule of thumb. He said something about golf not being played by people with a slide rule in their pocket or something, at least not by the people he was talking to.

Shoot me your e-mail. I'll be happy to send you a book . . . that you can search . . . do the work for yourself . . . if you think it's screwed up . . .fine . . . clearly you and the squadron came to the party to stick your weenerz in the mashed taterz . . . you got 3 posts at this joint . . we ain't spoon feeding you . . . and tell 'em to spell my name right . . . it's Richie Cruise.

I guess all that chicken clogged up your system as i never repeat never said that you said it was Homer's concept. Why so defensive just a simple question and you get your feathers all ruffled and i don't know what your talking about my homies, i said i'll give you my PH# in a pm and when you or your homie Kev call me you can then realize i'm not who you think i am then i want an apology for just asking a question and getting beaten up about it.I got nothing to hide.

Dude it's the freakin' intree net . . . my feathers ain't ruffled I could care less . . . but you ain't gettin no apology . . . that's the same play book my old lady runs . . you coulda axed your question IN A P.M.

Tell 'em to spell my name right . . .it's Napoleon Bonaparte

Well i think you care a lot that's why your acting like a high school girl hoping to get asked to the prom, a pm to ask a question why the secrecy? Why so defensive? You know Napoleon had a mental problem...lol Your right you are a Dick.

Whats your point? Say it.

Come dude . . .you got like 16 posts . . . all of 'em are jacking with people . . . if you don't like Homer Kelley . . . LBG . . . whatever fine . . . but let's not pretend you aren't on a mission . . what's it gonna solve you and the posse coming over to rub some people's nose in it?

And now you call me a "Dick" . . . I need an apology . . .

And tell 'em to spell my name right it's Britney Spears.

You called yourself a Dick and i agreed. What mission? like i said i'll give you my PH# and you call and see if i'm on a mission then you can apologize. I asked a simple question and all you have been doing is attacking me calling me Mike etc. If your really nice maybe i'll take you to that prom Britney..lol.

Campfire Girls
 

Naah, Strav . . . no "two camps". There is only Truth (as we individually perceive it and debate it and as it actually is).

Regarding LynnBlakeGolf.com and the participants in civil, animated discussions on this and an infinite variety of other topics, our policy is: "Vive la difference"!

:salut:

Homer Kelley himself stated that "because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available -- but separately. And probably endlessly" (1-H). The reams of "additional detail" would obviously include precision measurements made possible (and generally available) by modern technologies. Homer was a scientist who always sought to reconcile observations -- however precise -- with law. Given that he has been dead 27 years, he would herald these recent proofs with a hearty "It's about time!".

No one here is attempting to 'squash' the D-Plane. In fact, if I've got my 'readers' on right, the title of this thread is "Must See Videos", and the opening post offers several direct video links to promote its understanding. Then, several posts followed applauding those links.

The first combative post was #12 from footwedge. His agenda was obvious, and his subsequent posts have offered zero educational insights. ["My dad can lick your dad" doesn't qualify as an 'insight'].

Unless his attitude changes -- not holding my breath! -- his presence will be short-lived on this site.

:naughty:

Simple Question . . . Simple Answer
 

No.

:sleepy:

No I called my self "THE" Dick . . . anyway . . . in your first post you asked where could you find the d-plane in Homer's book . . . it ain't in there . . . you knew that. Right? Or am I wrong about that?

Then you made the point that the d-plane is better. Fine. So I am to assume that since you think the d-plane is better than Homer's "stuff" . . you knew the d-plane ain't in the book.

So . . . what was the point of these posts? Were you seeking information or here to make a point? Either way fine.

I didn't call you Mike . . . who is Mike? But whoever Mike is . .

Tell 'em to spell my name right . . . Ned Beatty