Early Extension. Whats the cure?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqQNBN55q8

Here is a video from the web that shows a major problem that plagues a lot of us to varying degrees. Pros dont do this but 65 per cent of amateurs do.

With all the teaching pros on this board, I thought Id ask you guys whether there is a golf cure for this? There are a lot of fitness, training related cures on line, has anyone seen improvement going that route?

Any secret tips, home remedies?

Ob

PS No Tiger jokes please, this is a serious matter that effects hundreds of thousands of golfers, perhaps somebody you know.

So its like love then, there aint no cure for it?

Ill give you two things Im trying. After that if there arent any replies Ill start taking Tiger jokes. Which reminds me, why "extension", shouldnt it be something to do with being "erect"? .... "Premature..........", I dunno.

So here's what Im trying , short of working out which seems far too invasive a solution.

- pivot around the heal of the left foot as opposed to the ball, or worse still the toes.

-Slide parallel to the Base Line plane line assuming an Arc of Approach procedure. I tend to Slide out to right field and on the toes of my left foot.

-Increase the waist bend in transition and stick the butt back. I find it pretty hard to actually achieve, see on video a Head Bob. It feels like it but its really staying put. But Im still thrusting the hips on video , damn.

Come on you pros out there, what's your secret cure? I know you got em.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're aiming at. I think the move you showed us is more or less there with the better players as well. But some of them at least, have their hips more turned at impact so it looks different.

Is it the hip stall that worries you?

If you look at Bubba or Sadlowski you will see that they jump'n flare open their front foot through the down stroke to enable a more open hip through the ball. The alternative would be to flare the foot more out at address.

Im primarily talking about the butt pushing in towards the Base Line in Transition when viewed from a DTL perspective. The hips being more open at impact or not stalling or whatever can be related, but that is a side issue. Symptomatic in other words.

Or is the butt push symptomatic itself? Helter Skelter.......

TPI has isolated this thrusting as a major point of departure between pros and amateurs. Pros by and large dont do it. Amateurs do. Golf trainers seem to be focussing on this move. Im looking for people who have been cured in this way and in a golf swing way. Are there no survivors out there?

Although it can often appear to be an isolated thing, it has a profound ripple effect that disturbs the left shoulder to ball radius and requires a pulling up and back of the head or shoulder girdle to make contact. Its a string slackening move in other words and you cant draw perfect circles without a taught string stretching from center to pencil, can you.

Here is another tip from the home think tank. Although Im still searching for a cure. Establish your String (left shoulder to ball) relationship at Fix. Then keep your head putt and move to Adjusted assuming you Startup from Adjusted. This way you dont have to find the proper center whilst on the move.


Come on guys we're in the Lab here for crying out loud. Go nuts. What do you have that actually works? I might have to start a telethon for a cure if this goes on any longer.

How do you keep your " ass on the glass"? Ass back golf , yes but how?

The Goat Herd Round the World
 

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7144-3.html

See my post #23

Hope that gets you "over the hump".

Thanks Drew


Have you seen it work the other way round too? Where the push in, blocks the passage of the Bent Right ARm , causing an Right Elbow stall and an early extension of the Right Arm.

Thats where Im at I think as I see the push in happening really early in Startdown, with the Right Arm still fully bent.

Going to work on my intention to get to Both Arms Straight at Both Arms Straight , Follow Through and 1-L-15 like you suggest.

I appreciate your reply.

Ob

Then I'm not sure I agree with TPI. Look here: http://www.the-efficient-golfer.com/...oods-yips.html. Trevino seems to keep his spine pretty well but the others crum their back and some of them do it big time.

However, I did take a serious two week full time trainer course about a million years ago. So I know what this is about. The guy that taught us about muscles and power said that: A weight lifter that ... /does this move/... will be able to lift a heavier weight, but it may/will damage his back. He also said that a lot of the world class lifters did this.

You're looking for a healthy lift here, with a straight back. It will shorten your ball striking unless you have a very specific fitness regime to make up for the disadvantage. But it may give you more years. Personally I don't think golf is as hazardious to the spine as weight lifting.

Hey BerntR

Id say that neither Hogan nor Snead had any thrusting of the Hips towards the plane line. Goat humping, early extension or whatever. Tiger doesnt do it. Some of these guys could even be said to have a slight Reverse Goat Hump, "RGH".

The notion of the arms having weight and momentum is a good one. In this regard the golfers rear end can be considered counter balance. Some forms of humping can be attributed to the arms pulling the golfer towards the plane line as they cross in front of the body near impact, but for me it starts to happen when my hands are still at Top, in Startdown. Transitional Goat Humping, "TGH". Its a silent killer.

Perhaps its the direction of the counter balance that is off for me? The thrusting out to right field , the counter balance pulling the Power Package longitudinally but cross line instead of down the plane line. Sending the my C.O.G out towards the plane line, my weight moving towards the toes and then a pivot over top of the toes. The right elbow gets "stuck" Im thinking.

I dunno. But Ill be interested to see if when its fixed I more closely approach Pitch Elbow. Take a look at how much room Snead gives his arms to pass. I couldnt quite stop it right at impact. Hogan in some views had his right elbow on his hip more than in front of it. Im thinking you dont need much room, just enough to not impede or redirect the right elbow.

Regards
Ob


http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=126742549 2

You may be right but I don't think either activity; lifting or golf is bad for the back unless you are making the wrong move. In weightlifting, any rounding of the spine, lower back or upper has a high probablity of injury. Good lifters never round the back. They focus on a neutral or slightly arched back. And by focus, I mean a conscious awareness. In squats and deadlifts a rounded spine will sideline you in a hurry.

In golf, the spine should stay the neutral or even slightly arched. Rounding plus twisting is also a formula for injury.

So why do we goat hump? I think Drew is right from an intent standpoint. If your intent is to hit the ball rather than swing through it, there is a tendency to release everything early and stop the pivot at impact. Practice the drill the Drew showed you. You can also set up with a golf bag, small chair or something against your butt and keep it there during an acquired motion swing. The extreme is getting your weight to the heels and rotating from there. Chances are good you will experience a later release by "sitting on the chair" and pivoting your swing around the chair. The chair only moves along the base of the plane line.

Never, ever round the back. Especially when twisting.

Part of the issue is the path of the right shoulder.

If you send the right shoulder down plane, the hips can't really fire forward.

Alternately, if you bring the right shoulder out/over plane, the hips have to come forward to balance the motion.

My hump.
 

Hey Bagger

I did some work on Drew's intention remedy today and it does seem to help. It also relates to EdZ's response too Im thinking in that having the intention to hit all the way down to Both Arms Straight requires some right arm left at impact and the only way to get the bent right arm down there is via the right shoulder. If you get your right shoulder down that low and on plane then you must have Tilted your Axis etc etc etc. Its a sort of backwards, re engineering of things that makes me thinks DG is going to show up at any second saying...... "I keep telling you guys..... "

Its quite interesting to back up against a wall or something and try to swing. In the absence of Hula Hula ..........the head wants to move. So the chair or the wall or a glass door is great as long as you can slide around some. VJ Trolio style. Any contraption or perception of the rear end as being centered makes it a center and something else has to move normally with implications to the left shoulder, low point.

Still searching , still wondering what the heck my rear end is up to, but the intenion, 1-L-15, lots of right arm, the Right Shoulder Throw etc is part of the solution at the very least. The nice thing about these TGM tips is none of 'em are bad for you. Sort of like Omega 3 and Vitamin E or something.

That being said, if this thing dont get better Im going to put some shards of glass in the toes and balls area of my socks.

And sometimes its so confusing its kinda like this...

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But somehow it all combines...together...

Hope everyone didn't take my video interlude wrong. I thought it mirrored how confusing TGM terminology and interpretation can be. I thought it was pretty funny and I'm a sucker for Albert Brooks, Blake Edwards and Mel Brooks movies.

Gotta look for that one on dvd. Mel Brooks always gets me laughing.

But are you comparing " my hump" to horse meat, Bagger?

Hey O.B.

Hump this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEe_eraFWWs

:laughing9 :naughty: :salut:

Kevin

Thanks Kev

Most edifying and far from a mere run of the mill Standard Hip Action there Id say.

Going to the dome tonight to try to keep my junk inside my trunk and avoid that Hump, that Hump, that Hump, that Hump.

Edz is on to something here! :salut: :laughing9 You can only go two ways down or forward. Of course down on the inclined plane includes out. Hackers try to go forwards, as well as good players that hack at times!:crybaby: Watch your legs, if they are wooden there was not enough down, at your right elbow is spent, or almost spent. Check out Byron Nelson...down...down!

Here is some slo mo of Lord Byron and friends. There's a really nice overhead ish shot of him around 1:40 or so. Venturi has a little right arm in there maybe. What a freak of nature.

Okie next time I go to the Dome Im gonna try to throw or drop those Arms down and see what happens. Ill call you from the hospital if its bad news. The Vectors 2-N-1, eh? Nice.

P.S. I like your left side, what the heck are you admiring saggy knees for? Ill sell you mine if you want. Trade ya.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyCq7E7rfcg

Hallo,

Not towards the plane line no. But towards wherever their hips are pointing. They all squeeze their buttocs and bring their "instrument" :D eh... tailbone forward, so to speak. Since their hips are more turned, the goat humping as you call it will be more on the right side than the left. It's not goat humping anymore but compression of the right side.

Kelvin Miyahira has described this move in his analysis of Jamie Sadlowski amongst others. It is an essensial part of a powerful stroke. It is probably a lot less effective when it's combined with a hip stall, but it is probably better still than posing like a duck through impact.

Hump and turn, and you're pretty close to where the good guys are at impact.