My distance from ball / posture: what do you think?
 

Dear members,

Looking for some more expert feedback on my distance from the ball and posture, this is a 9 iron. I am making some decent contact/compression but when I look at myself on video my legs look so stiff, not enough knee bend? Maybe I should stand back a little bit more from the ball. I'm 6 ft. tall. Your thoughts are welcome specifically about my set up posture/distance from ball but I welcome any other comments on my swing. Thanks for any comments in advance I apologize for the poor quality of the video.

Link here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFG-r...e=channel_page

Birdie Chance
Bronx, NY

Turned Should Plane. That's rare. Good for you.

Distance from the ball isn't your problem. Your pivot is non-existent. Compare your Impact alignments in Frame #4 to Frame #9 below.



Are you pulling down with your hands from the Top?? Your standing Up at impact and Your Facing the Ball and your shoulders have caught up to your hips and your hands are about to pass your shoulders. No Pivot Lag. You have a great right arm and Hand acceleration. It's keeping you alive. If you can fix that pivot, then you can use the #4 accumulator and you'll drive the ball 300 yards. That 6 iron should be your 185 yard club. But with only 1.5 Accumulators, it's your 155 club.

Also, if you stop that Shoulder turn take-away, your hands and right elbow will get higher at the top so when your pivot gets fixed, your Pitched Elbow will pitched at release and not at your side as shown in frames 2,3 and 4 above.

The Backfield's In Motion . . .
 

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Watch your video . . . . look at that pole thingie that is right next to your butt when you start swinging . . . watch what your but does . . . then look at the pics Daryl put up . . . look at Mr. Hogan's butt (as I'm sure Daryl does daily :) ) . . . Do you see any differences? If so what do you think the implications are?

Holla BAck . . .

"Goat humping" is something Bucket is an expert at. One of the best out there.

Nice stuff Daryl

I like his free wheeling right hip and right shoulder turn away together, takeaway. Something Lynn teaches. His pivot is working nicely to Top I think. I wouldnt change that but I'd add some on plane Tracing with his Right hand to get one end of the club or the other pointing at the Plane Line. When done properly it'll be like Indian Chief's "how" or Oath of office, (triple "o" move) with the right forearm fanning and elbow bending to pick the hands and club UP. "how". The elbow supporting directly opposite the #3 Pressure Point at Top. Its different for swingers and hitters........

Maybe add a touch of Extensor Action too. Need some structure in the hands er clamps. Dont like the Horizontal motion, left wrist arching in the waggle. Ideally its a Vertical only Motion for the left wrist's cock and uncock, no horizontal arching. Arching begets Bending (throwaway). Why rehearse something you dont want like left wrist arching in the waggle.

So get more on plane (club shaft) , no arching in the left wrist (club face) should help you to add more Lag (club head). Thats the entire golf club, shaft, face, head. If you control the club , you control the ball. Or something like that.

Bird, you are really regretting asking for help I bet. There's more nuts around here than there is over at Planter's.

Daryl - I really appreciate you taking such a close look, for your time breaking it down like this!

Turned Should Plane. That's rare. Good for you.

Distance from the ball isn't your problem. Your pivot is non-existent. Compare your Impact alignments in Frame #4 to Frame #9 below.

Could not agree more I've got my work cut out for me to work on Zone 1. Especially during the downswing, release and follow through.

Are you pulling down with your hands from the Top?? Yes I think I am. Your standing Up at impact and Your Facing the Ball and your shoulders have caught up to your hips and your hands are about to pass your shoulders. No Pivot Lag. You have a great right arm and Hand acceleration. It's keeping you alive. If you can fix that pivot, then you can use the #4 accumulator and you'll drive the ball 300 yards. That 6 iron should be your 185 yard club. But with only 1.5 Accumulators, it's your 155 club.

Also, if you stop that Shoulder turn take-away, your hands and right elbow will get higher at the top so when your pivot gets fixed, your Pitched Elbow will pitched at release and not at your side as shown in frames 2,3 and 4 above.

For me I like the STT because I think it helps me to stress the shaft in the backswing but I understand your points.

Again I can't thank you enough for your close reading of my alignments (and lack of!). I'm going to focus on my pivot.

Bucket you're right. Yeah I see major differences. I'm swaying and as Daryl pointed out I'm standing up out of my posture at impact so I'm losing my swing center and my balance as well, hips moving out which throws alot of alignments off. Thanks for pointing that out!!

Birdie Chance

Oh you cant get rid of us that easily there fella. We got more, lots more even if it means making stuff up.

OK here we go.

As you go back so do you come down. So you gotta fix your plane going back.

Which way do your divots points? To the left? Ok its an over the top move, right? But why? Its an early straightening of the right arm, but why? Its out and over the plane in Startdown but why?

Zone 1 again. You clear your right hip going back nicely, but in Startdown you have to clear it again. Just learned this myself. Basically you have to Slide your hips left with a Delayed Hip Turn. The Slide is small, just really a tiny weight shift back onto your left foot which clears more of a path for the Bent Right Elbow to take an inside to out approach to the ball. Yes Ive just invented Elbow Path. This and doing Startdown with the initial move being the On Plane Right Shoulder (which have so nicely aligned on the Turned Shoulder Plane) taking the still fully bent right arm down the Turned Shoulder Plane will provide an inside out Angle or Arc of Approach and leave you with nice, straight divots. Curious but true, inside out delivery path of the hands leaves you with straight divots.

Practice this with Startdown Waggles and you'll have the Pivot Lag Dr Daryl is suggesting. McDonald drills would be Yoda's prescription Im thinking. Feel the weight moving to your left foot as in Marching, left, right , left, right , left , right etc etc

Dude . . . IMO your backswing is pretty good. I don't think you have to get into a whole bunch of whacky by the book answers . . . you need to feel like your ass goes BACKWARDS behind you and LEFT/FORWARD and your head goes DOWN. That's going to clean up a lot of that early throwy stuff. You'll be able to hold on to your angles better. You can't maintain your #3 angle because your right wrist has to Uncock to get to the ball because you disrupt the radius by raising up. Feel like your left butt cheek is up against a wall and stays on the wall as you slide to the left. Feel like you are increasing the flex in your left knee as you start down.

You need to feel like you do what Eldrick ACTUALLY DOES.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy9GTAENiJA&feature=PlayList&p=50D9FC9A827 4B3F9&index=0&playnext=1

Bucket,

Awesome clip. I like your approach - this makes sense. I will holla back once I get some work done. (My wife is wondering why I'm doing squats in the kitchen)...
Have a great week.

Birdie Chance

perverted arrow out of quiver?
 

Daryl & Bucket,

So the OP had a problem pulling down hard with his left arm in the downswing. Did I misinterpret drag loading, where it says to feel the club being drawn out of a quiver, and hold it until the release switches ends? So Daryl, you're saying that trying to release #4 too early causes the body to rise up? Cuz' I know for sure that I struggle with this as well.
Thanks in advance

Pulling Down with your Hands or Arms may cause the body to stand up. It will also cause trillions of other issues and will ruin your standard Pattern.

Don't Pull Down with your hands and don't pull down with your left arm. Your Hands and Arms are being Pulled down by the Right Shoulder during Start-Down Tilt-Lateral Slide. If you Pull down with your Arms, you will be pulling outward. That causes an early release of the #4 Accumulator.

The Power Package gets moved by the Pivot. That's part of the Pivots job. All of the components of the Power Package move at the same RPM. No part moves on its own. It moves as a unit, keeping the wedges and all intact. Only in this way can you put pressure on the pressure points and it stays there. If you move your arms independently, then the pressures go all over the place, disappear, re-appear, move around, etc.

Keep in mind that HK doesn't have the Left Arm get closer than 45 degrees to the chest, otherwise the flying wedges get destroyed. The #4 Accumulator from Fully Loaded to Impact only travels a few inches and then a few inches more through impact to low point. During your downswing, after your Left Shoulder is higher than your right shoulder and they are still turning, is about the time that the #4 Accumulator gets released.

The Left Arm travels down the Chest (keeping 45 degrees to it) during the Hand Acceleration Sequence. Ideally, the hands and right elbow are locked in a cast so that the downward motion is from the shoulders, leaving the Wedges intact (Yoda's Start-down Waggle). Traveling down the Chest does not cause the #4 Accumulator to Release. Moving the Left Arm Away from the Chest is the #4 Accumulator and it's this Action that Causes the Release of #2. When your #4 Accumulator releases, ideally it's when your Hands are in the line of sight to the ball. Releasing #4, 2 and 3 occur within a split second. Hogans #4 Accumulator starts to release in Frame #8. Not early for an Elbow Plane, but too early for a Turned Shoulder Plane.

I'm sitting here, writing this stuff and thinking how easy it is to explain and that it's a thousand times harder to do it.

Unfortunately, one does not go from the book to the golf course and be able to apply any of this stuff. It is very hard work even under exceptional guidance by a qualified instructor. Honestly, there are no shortcuts to practice and playing and guidance; I wish there were. It's a lifetime of commitment just to maintain your game.

My Guess?? A really good amatuer, uses Two Barrels. Most golfers only use one. Using three Barrels is what pro's and Ted use. 240 yard Drives is barely 1.5 barrels. 2 barrels is 260 and with a super fast hands and pivot maybe 275. Above that, three Barrels, 10-20 years later, unless you're a gifted 16 year old girl from Hawaii. Ok, maybe its not that hard.

I'd say that the body tends to raise up because #1 and #4 haven't released FAST ENOUGH. Draw that sucker out with your ARMS . . . milk the goat don't hump the goat. If you don't release #4 and #1 your hands will get out or under depending on if you are spinny or tilty . ... from their you've disrupted the radius and typically the resulting move is to raise up or shrink up the arms .. . . or flip.

Hmm?

How soon should the #4 Accumulator Release?

In the photo below the Golfer is 1" into his Release of the #1/#4 Accumulator and the hands are within the Line of Sight to the Ball. This is a normal Release.

How soon should #4 release? 1st :happy3:

Can you put up the whole sequence?

The Cocked Right Wrist has done its damage. Too late to recover.

Can you tell if the head is backing up?

Head seems to have stayed the same.

Frame 1:
Above Plane Clubhead and Hands.

His Right Wrist is Uncocked at Impact.

His Right Wrist has too much bend and is cocked. Notice at Impact his Right Wrist has less Bend.

His Right Forearm is too high and he runs out of elbow at impact.

Sequenced Release sluggish. Looks like an Angled Hinge. 10-2-B with Angled Hinge = Push Shot.

A centered Head and a little bend in his left Wrist at the Top of the Swing may correct all of this.

This guy is going to have a great swing in a few more months. He's inches away.


Great work Ted. He gets my Award.