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ndwolfe81 12-05-2007 09:05 PM

Smart Stick Laser Guided Trainer
 
www.smartstickgolf.com

I think this is awesome, John Riegger and Brian Gay are using this.

Keeps your left wrist in a perfect alignment, I just throw some dowels on the ground and trace away.

golfgnome 12-05-2007 09:49 PM

Smart stick laser trainer....................................$200
Instructional video........................................... just pay shipping

A couple of dowels, pen lasers, duct tape, and a coat hanger............................................ .................................................. .

PRICELESS!!!!!


It does look pretty cool, but not for 2 bills.

ndwolfe81 12-05-2007 09:57 PM

Bright Lasers
 
I haven't used other lasers pen before, but I know these can be seen in outside even with the sun right on top of me.

I thought that was pretty nice.

Just thought some guys might like it.

golfgnome 12-05-2007 10:43 PM

poor attempt at humor
 
Nathan,

I agree that the bright green lasers are really good, especially outdoors. This is a really cool looking training aid and I was ready to order until I saw the price.

I did not mean to offend, just trying to be funny.

We have all created our own "home depot" training aids that are much less expensive. Some are just as good as the originals and some are not. I imagine it would be hard to duplicate what they have invented since the green lasers are hard to find and fairly expensive.

hg 12-06-2007 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndwolfe81 (Post 46835)
www.smartstickgolf.com

I think this is awesome, John Riegger and Brian Gay are using this

Keeps your left wrist in a perfect alignment, I just throw some dowels on the ground and trace away.



How did using it convert to your ball striking?

ndwolfe81 12-06-2007 12:12 PM

Arching
 
Well I have always just used dowel rods for tracing,

It really has shown me that what I thought was correct wasn't, in the beginning my laser was pointing to far beyond the plane line, this was also happening during down stroke.

I was roundhousing into the ball and arching my left wrist, the wrist bar was really pushing up against my left forearm too hard.

For me personally I have been able to feel the correct left arm flying wedge and stop from arching my left wrist which is a big deal for me.

Nathan

bray 12-12-2007 11:15 AM

Lynn,

Have you taugth Brian or John recently???
Did they have the smart stick with them?

Amazing how many trianing aids are TGM Inspired whether they know it or not, but it appears this one has some TGM background!

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

Yoda 12-12-2007 01:35 PM

SmartStick Training Aid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bray (Post 46958)

Lynn,

Have you taugth Brian or John recently???
Did they have the smart stick with them?

Talked to John on the phone last night (before your post came in). He mentioned in passing that he likes the product and uses it "every now and then" to verify his alignments.

Brian learned of it through John, and we talked about it over the phone one evening last month (before he had the product). While on the phone, at my suggestion, he rigged up a makeshift version using a club and coathanger. I have talked with him a couple of times since then, but the SmartStick was never mentioned.

bray 12-12-2007 02:19 PM

Lynn,

Thanks for the update.

Sounds like a good product but as stated earlier in this thread....definetly something that's been "homemade" before.

Look forward to hearing more success stories from you, Brian, and John. Next year.

Let's get that first LBG PGA Tour Win!!!

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

neil 12-12-2007 09:11 PM

So is someone going to spill the beans on the coathanger ,tape ,laser etc thingumagig.
I want one:(

Yoda 12-13-2007 01:15 AM

Dinner and More
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neil (Post 46977)

So is someone going to spill the beans on the coathanger ,tape ,laser etc thingumagig.

I want one

:(

Help is on the way, Neil!

We've spent many an hour together, and I'll be teaching in your neck of the woods [Orlando] the last week of this month. Also, during the week of the PGA Show next month. I'll shoot you a PM for a dinner date...my treat!

We'll talk then about 'home grown' training aids, and no doubt, about a lot of other things, too. Just like we did at Old Waverly in '06 after your late arrival due to that very rough and scary airplane flight. Hang on Sloopy!

:occasion:

See you then!


:happy3:

EdZ 12-14-2007 02:39 PM

$200? Seriously?

Granted, using it outside is a nice perk, but for 1/10th the price you can make your own and still have enough for a pizza and a six pack!

The Pure Swing by Rover Golf would be more helpful to most folks imo, as it encourages the release more than this appears to.

neil 12-14-2007 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 46983)
Help is on the way, Neil!

We've spent many an hour together, and I'll be teaching in your neck of the woods [Orlando] the last week of this month. Also, during the week of the PGA Show next month. I'll shoot you a PM for a dinner date...my treat!

We'll talk then about 'home grown' training aids, and no doubt, about a lot of other things, too. Just like we did at Old Waverly in '06 after your late arrival due to that very rough and scary airplane flight. Hang on Sloopy!

:occasion:

See you then!


:happy3:

Now, how could I refuse! Don't forget Boss, you always have a refuge in Orlando-AND a GOLF COURSE!!!:salut:

Daz 01-29-2008 06:47 PM

Priceless
 
Hey Neil just spotted this thread.

I made this ages ago:



http://www.dazzagolf.com/images/Laze...rainer_001.jpg

2 Green lazers off ebay £20
1M of sink plumbing pipe £2
1 pipe junction/join £3
Lots of tape £1

Swinging on plane, having a flat left wrist and training #2 priceless...


Why didnt I paint it and patent it????

okie 01-29-2008 07:40 PM

A Face only a pappa could love
 
It is so ugly it might just work:laughing9 Thanks for the pic...Home Depot is calling!

While we are talking about "props" would anybody like to list what they have purchased, created etc. ranking them in their order of usefullness.

1. Dowels
2. Powerclick
3. Impact bag
4. Old Wedge with a butt extension (jerry-rigged)
5. Powertrack
6. Weighted club (Momentus)
7. Club that shows the sweetspot plane (jerry-rigged)
8. Made one of them wiffle ball clubs (jerry-rigged)
9. Pelz's pro prongs
10. Spray Paint (I spray a straight plane line)

cometgolfer 01-29-2008 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daz (Post 48416)
Hey Neil just spotted this thread.

I made this ages ago:



http://www.dazzagolf.com/images/Laze...rainer_001.jpg

2 Green lazers off ebay £20
1M of sink plumbing pipe £2
1 pipe junction/join £3
Lots of tape £1

Swinging on plane, having a flat left wrist and training #2 priceless...


Why didnt I paint it and patent it????


Paint cost ... $1
Patent cost (patent search, generation, drawings, legal fees, annual maintenance for a year or so, etc) ... $6,000 and up. :(

CG

cometgolfer 01-29-2008 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 48418)
It is so ugly it might just work:laughing9 Thanks for the pic...Home Depot is calling!

While we are talking about "props" would anybody like to list what they have purchased, created etc. ranking them in their order of usefullness.

1. Dowels
2. Powerclick
3. Impact bag
4. Old Wedge with a butt extension (jerry-rigged)
5. Powertrack
6. Weighted club (Momentus)
7. Club that shows the sweetspot plane (jerry-rigged)
8. Made one of them wiffle ball clubs (jerry-rigged)
9. Pelz's pro prongs
10. Spray Paint (I spray a straight plane line)


1) Including lynnblakegolf.com in my internet "favorites" list
2) See (1) above
3) See (2) above
4) Dowels
5) Grip butt laser

:happy3:

CG

neil 01-29-2008 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daz (Post 48416)
Hey Neil just spotted this thread.

I made this ages ago:



http://www.dazzagolf.com/images/Laze...rainer_001.jpg

2 Green lazers off ebay £20
1M of sink plumbing pipe £2
1 pipe junction/join £3
Lots of tape £1

Swinging on plane, having a flat left wrist and training #2 priceless...


Why didnt I paint it and patent it????

Daz,
just read B&Q for Home Depot -that thing looks like something Rambo could wipe out a country with!
but I bet it works:salut:

Carl Spackler 03-10-2008 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bray (Post 46958)
Lynn,

Have you taugth Brian or John recently???
Did they have the smart stick with them?

Amazing how many trianing aids are TGM Inspired whether they know it or not, but it appears this one has some TGM background!

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray


B-Ray,

I had the opportunity to observe Martin Hall last year for a day. Without a doubt he teaches "The Machine". He had a "prototype" of this a year ago. Green lasers and PCP pipe. Most training aids are developed by one person, and given to a top instructor to endorese. I give this one a lot of merit because the person endorsing it, is also the creator. And not to mention...one hell of an instructor!

-Carl Spackler

Daryl 03-10-2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daz (Post 48416)
Hey Neil just spotted this thread.

I made this ages ago:



http://www.dazzagolf.com/images/Laze...rainer_001.jpg

2 Green lazers off ebay £20
1M of sink plumbing pipe £2
1 pipe junction/join £3
Lots of tape £1

Swinging on plane, having a flat left wrist and training #2 priceless...


Why didnt I paint it and patent it????

You still can.......

Only the Original Inventor can apply for a patent. It's the Law. If you can prove that you designed the gizmo 1 day before they did, then only you can be granted the patent. Even if you refuse to apply for one, they still cannot have one.

Daryl 03-10-2008 05:33 PM

I heard that Martin was TGM. But I don't believe it. :laughing9 :laughing9

Is "mouse in the House" a TGM term??? Just because you own the book, doesn't make you..................................

I don't want to burn bridges. This post may be deleted.

Yoda 03-10-2008 06:11 PM

Martin Hall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 50957)

I heard that Martin was TGM. But I don't believe it. :laughing9 :laughing9

Is "mouse in the House" a TGM term??? Just because you own the book, doesn't make you..................................

I don't want to burn bridges. This post may be deleted.


Yes, Martin Hall is a TGM Authorized Instructor. He also attended my 'comeback' school presented at the PGA TOUR Academy in April 2004.

We interacted as 'old friends' on Demo Day at this year's PGA Merchandise Show. He was very complimentary of our site and the work we do.

Martin's a nice guy and a credit to the movement.

Daryl 03-10-2008 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 50959)
Yes, Martin Hall is a TGM Authorized Instructor. He also attended my 'comeback' school presented at the PGA TOUR Academy in April 2004.

We interacted as 'old friends' on Demo Day at this year's PGA Merchandise Show. He was very complimentary of our site and the work we do.

Martin's a nice guy and a credit to the movement.

That's nice to hear. :)

mb6606 03-11-2008 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 48418)
It is so ugly it might just work:laughing9 Thanks for the pic...Home Depot is calling!

While we are talking about "props" would anybody like to list what they have purchased, created etc. ranking them in their order of usefullness.

1. Dowels
2. Powerclick
3. Impact bag
4. Old Wedge with a butt extension (jerry-rigged)
5. Powertrack
6. Weighted club (Momentus)
7. Club that shows the sweetspot plane (jerry-rigged)
8. Made one of them wiffle ball clubs (jerry-rigged)
9. Pelz's pro prongs
10. Spray Paint (I spray a straight plane line)

I would add:
2 by 4 and 1x10 boards
Two flashlights lashed together with duct tape
Door mirror
Therabands
Styrofoam plane board

12 piece bucket 03-11-2008 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mb6606 (Post 51003)
I would add:
2 by 4 and 1x10 boards
Two flashlights lashed together with duct tape
Door mirror
Therabands
Styrofoam plane board

Matt
Net
Camera
Basement

6bmike 03-11-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndwolfe81 (Post 46837)
I haven't used other lasers pen before, but I know these can be seen in outside even with the sun right on top of me.

I thought that was pretty nice.

Just thought some guys might like it.

Last october, I spoke to the inventor on the phone for over two hours. He was just filming the info commerical at the tim,e. He can really talk. I saw the stick in a bag of an instructor at Blue Heron GC near AC. He knew nothing about TGM except he hear of it.We talked about Martin and some of the things he taught. The inventor took lessons from Martin and one day developed this stick to help him square the clubface and trace the plane line- he uses a high powerd green light I believe so it can be use in daylight. Martin was wowed by it and help finance the project. The hand guide as he explained it to me is not how a TGM would use it- he sqaures with the right hand. BUt it look interesting. I tried to get some to see if some of our AIs could use them. Henning is big on tracing drills with those thin plastic dowels. But he couldn't make anymore until they were going to be releases. Everyone was calling him from around the country. At almost 200 bucks a pop I was trying to get a sweetheart deal. He lived nearby. I haven't spoke to him since. Nice guy bur as I said he can talk for ever. Looks like a helpful product in the hands of a good instructor.
I tried to build my own but dowels work just fine.

ps- Yeah Mouse in the house is typical Martin- he is loaded with gadgets like Ben Doyle and phrases to help students visualize- Homer would get a kick out of him.

Sligo33 03-11-2008 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 50959)
Yes, Martin Hall is a TGM Authorized Instructor. He also attended my 'comeback' school presented at the PGA TOUR Academy in April 2004.

We interacted as 'old friends' on Demo Day at this year's PGA Merchandise Show. He was very complimentary of our site and the work we do.

Martin's a nice guy and a credit to the movement.

A big Ditto

Carl Spackler 03-13-2008 11:59 AM

Martin is definately a TGM guy, but he doesn't soley teach "the machine". The 5 or 6 lessons I saw him give, at least 2 of the 3 were covered: 1.) flat left wrist at impact; 2.) tracing a straight plane line (using the "generic smart stick"); 3.) hinge action.

If you never read TGM, you wouldn't know he teaches it. In my opinion, he does a great job explaining things without getting too techincal.

He is one of the few "top teachers" that I will stop and listen to. Has given Homer Kelley and TGM credit in some of his videos. Check out the hinges in this video (flying wedges...hello!) http://youtube.com/watch?v=44fev4wqC6U

Even more impressive is the fact that he called me and apologized for being hard to get a hold of!!! Pretty humble guy to say the least.

I think there are a lot of guys out there that teach TGM without even knowing it. I love this site, as well as David Orrs. But, so many people still think TGM and think technical. This is true, but it doesn't have to be that techincal. If more instructors had just a background in TGM, teaching would be significantly different...and better.

I think any "top teacher" that preaches a few principles found in the book, are giving it a lot of justice. Sorry to get on a soapbox!

-Carl Spackler

6bmike 03-13-2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 51096)
Martin is definately a TGM guy, but he doesn't soley teach "the machine". The 5 or 6 lessons I saw him give, at least 2 of the 3 were covered: 1.) flat left wrist at impact; 2.) tracing a straight plane line (using the "generic smart stick"); 3.) hinge action.

If you never read TGM, you wouldn't know he teaches it. In my opinion, he does a great job explaining things without getting too techincal.

He is one of the few "top teachers" that I will stop and listen to. Has given Homer Kelley and TGM credit in some of his videos. Check out the hinges in this video (flying wedges...hello!) http://youtube.com/watch?v=44fev4wqC6U

Even more impressive is the fact that he called me and apologized for being hard to get a hold of!!! Pretty humble guy to say the least.

I think there are a lot of guys out there that teach TGM without even knowing it. I love this site, as well as David Orrs. But, so many people still think TGM and think technical. This is true, but it doesn't have to be that techincal. If more instructors had just a background in TGM, teaching would be significantly different...and better.

I think any "top teacher" that preaches a few principles found in the book, are giving it a lot of justice. Sorry to get on a soapbox!

-Carl Spackler


Acutally- TGM might be the ONLY "feel" system in Golfdom

davel 03-13-2008 06:26 PM

Carl

Do you have the linkk for david Orrs website?

Thanks
Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 51096)
Martin is definately a TGM guy, but he doesn't soley teach "the machine". The 5 or 6 lessons I saw him give, at least 2 of the 3 were covered: 1.) flat left wrist at impact; 2.) tracing a straight plane line (using the "generic smart stick"); 3.) hinge action.

If you never read TGM, you wouldn't know he teaches it. In my opinion, he does a great job explaining things without getting too techincal.

He is one of the few "top teachers" that I will stop and listen to. Has given Homer Kelley and TGM credit in some of his videos. Check out the hinges in this video (flying wedges...hello!) http://youtube.com/watch?v=44fev4wqC6U

Even more impressive is the fact that he called me and apologized for being hard to get a hold of!!! Pretty humble guy to say the least.

I think there are a lot of guys out there that teach TGM without even knowing it. I love this site, as well as David Orrs. But, so many people still think TGM and think technical. This is true, but it doesn't have to be that techincal. If more instructors had just a background in TGM, teaching would be significantly different...and better.

I think any "top teacher" that preaches a few principles found in the book, are giving it a lot of justice. Sorry to get on a soapbox!

-Carl Spackler


Daryl 03-13-2008 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 51096)
Martin is definately a TGM guy, but he doesn't soley teach "the machine". The 5 or 6 lessons I saw him give, at least 2 of the 3 were covered: 1.) flat left wrist at impact; 2.) tracing a straight plane line (using the "generic smart stick"); 3.) hinge action.

If you never read TGM, you wouldn't know he teaches it. In my opinion, he does a great job explaining things without getting too techincal.

He is one of the few "top teachers" that I will stop and listen to. Has given Homer Kelley and TGM credit in some of his videos. Check out the hinges in this video (flying wedges...hello!) http://youtube.com/watch?v=44fev4wqC6U

Even more impressive is the fact that he called me and apologized for being hard to get a hold of!!! Pretty humble guy to say the least.

I think there are a lot of guys out there that teach TGM without even knowing it. I love this site, as well as David Orrs. But, so many people still think TGM and think technical. This is true, but it doesn't have to be that techincal. If more instructors had just a background in TGM, teaching would be significantly different...and better.

I think any "top teacher" that preaches a few principles found in the book, are giving it a lot of justice. Sorry to get on a soapbox!

-Carl Spackler

Nice Post Carl. :)

Carl Spackler 03-13-2008 09:48 PM

http://www.orrgolf.com/

drewitgolf 03-13-2008 09:59 PM

Hall of Fame
 
The instructors job is to inform and explain. The good instructor uses TGM as their information base, the great instructor is able to explain it in a manner that the student understands, remembers and is able to absorb and apply and make it their own. Martin Hall is one such instructor.

BTW, is there any training aid he doesn't endorse :golf: ?

Tom Smart 08-28-2008 09:55 PM

[Daryl] You should believe it as Martin was taught by Yoda. He has also just been named PGA Teacher Of The Year for 2009 and has acheived Master Pofessional Status in Europe one of elite group.

Tom Smart 08-28-2008 09:59 PM

Hey Ed after spending a couple days with you at the Barclay's you should know that you cannot even buy the lasers for less than $160.00 for the 2 lasers. Do your homework and then apologize. No stick for you???

Tom Smart 08-28-2008 10:13 PM

You should also know that nealry 80% of all of TGM teachers have and use the Smart Stick. On tour there are over 27 players using the SS including VJ who was the first, Charles Howell, Chris Riley, John Reigger, Brian Gay, Jay Haas, Billy Haas, Tom Purtzer just to name a few.

6bmike 08-28-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Smart (Post 55428)
Hey Ed after spending a couple days with you at the Barclay's you should know that you cannot even buy the lasers for less than $160.00 for the 2 lasers. Do your homework and then apologize. No stick for you???

Easy Tom, EDZ posted those remarks last Dec 2007, long before he got a chance to see and use the product. I know from being there in Paramus that he used the stick all the time. A google search I did after our first call told me the green lazers were not cheap. You have a fine product

purehitter 10-12-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Smart (Post 55429)
You should also know that nealry 80% of all of TGM teachers have and use the Smart Stick. On tour there are over 27 players using the SS including VJ who was the first, Charles Howell, Chris Riley, John Reigger, Brian Gay, Jay Haas, Billy Haas, Tom Purtzer just to name a few.

Here is the real deal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV4FkkUjYJQ

knob333 10-21-2008 07:53 AM

Smart Stick Trainer - Great Customer Service
 
Recently I had the unfortunate occurance of losing the detachable wrist bar on my Smart Stick.

I dealt with Tom Paul directly when I contacted the company and they were very quick to respond - a replacement bar was sent out to me the same day.

Great Customer Service for a Great Product !:)

KevCarter 03-10-2009 10:08 AM

I have been agonizing over a tool to help teach swing plane for a long time. After speaking with many other instructors, I decided to give the Smart Stick a try. I contacted the company through Yoda's Pro Shop.

Mr. Smart personally spoke with me via email, and I was VERY impressed by the service, and his willingness to discuss his product with me without any kind of hard sell, he just wanted to help me. When I finally decided to place the order, Mr. Smart made it very easy, and shipping was immediate. Wonderful customer service, and from what I have read, if there are ever any problems, I have no doubt he will continue to be helpful. I feel very good about the company, I know Yoda only deals with first class people.

I was a little nervous when I received the package, and didn't see instructions. I'm a mechnical idiot. I have both a hammer, and a screw driver, but I can never remember when to use which. :laughing9 I popped in the included DVD, and the instructions were on it. Mr. Smart walks you right through it step by step, and it's a piece of cake.

Martin Hall's instructional video makes it easy to get started. I was surprised to see there are many other uses other than just the swing plane, my primary objective.

For personal use, I LOVED it. I am trying to get rid of my Furyk like backswing, if it worked as well for me as it does Furyk, I wouldn't try to change, but it doesn't. This is the first time I have been able to feel where the club is supposed to go. It makes it so simple to develop feel through the proper mechanics, I think Mr. Kelley would approve. This is going to help my golf swing.

The next test, I used it in a teaching situation with a couple of friends. One has a hard time getting the club started down on plane. He wants to drop it under plane and gets badly "stuck" behind him. We have worked on it a lot this winter, but he couldn't get the proper feel and repeat it. After a few minutes with the Smart Stick, the proverbial light bulb went off in his head. He was all smiles for the entire session, problem solved!

Sorry for the long post. I appreciate Yoda and crew pointing me in the right direction on this training aid, and I wanted to let everyone know what a first class company Smart Stick is to deal with. Please remember to mention LBG when you contact them. You will be very happy you did!

Kevin


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