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jerry1967 08-06-2006 10:05 PM

tiger and that strange follow through
 
what is tiger doing with that strange follow through of his hands and wrist?

annikan skywalker 08-06-2006 10:35 PM

Tryin to look like Hogan....."Position Golf"....

Pretty Good.....I might say...

Wonder what he would do if he tried to imitate the swing of Tiger Woods?

Get it?

Got it?

Good!!!

hg 08-06-2006 11:25 PM

Woods vs Hogan Career Stats
 
Hogan vs. Woods

  • PGA Victories- 64 vs 50
  • Majors- 9 vs 11
  • Yearly Win Leader, yrs- 5 vs 7 (5 consecutive)
  • Scoring Avg Leader,yrs- 3* vs 6
*includes 2yrs Vardon Trophy Point winner


In 3 years it will be a clean sweep on all these stats.:)
Not bad for 10 years of work.

jerry1967 08-07-2006 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Tryin to look like Hogan....."Position Golf"....

Pretty Good.....I might say...

Wonder what he would do if he tried to imitate the swing of Tiger Woods?

Get it?

Got it?

Good!!!

this doesn't tell me a thing!!!!!

thomo 08-08-2006 02:27 AM

Tiger'sFollow Thru
 
He is trying to make sure that his right wrist uncocks thru impact and maintain it in follow thru and finish.
Hank Haney told us that at the Australian Teaching Summit. This is how Hank teaches hinge action or as he calls it release.

6bmike 08-08-2006 03:09 AM

errant shots explained
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thomo
He is trying to make sure that his right wrist uncocks thru impact and maintain it in follow thru and finish.
Hank Haney told us that at the Australian Teaching Summit. This is how Hank teaches hinge action or as he calls it release.

That explains all the errant shots.

Too bad golf doesn't have a common language... :scratch:

thomo 08-08-2006 04:48 AM

Shanks
 
If all the gurus keep coming up with this stuff e.g right wrist uncocking and congruent shaft angles, the golfers will have to go somewhere to have the shanks fixed and therefore might be exposed to the common language.

annikan skywalker 08-08-2006 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry1967
this doesn't tell me a thing!!!!!

Have you ever studied Hogan's Swing?

Start with Pics from the Hogan Mystique?

Then some footage?

The read some of the nice posts made by other posters...

Do you think the wrsits need stay "uncocked" for that long..creating a follow-through arc that is that long....

Does the Finish swivel need to occur that late?

Does the re-cocking of the wrists need to be delayed that long?

Does the refolding of the elbows need to be articically created?

Does all the above really matter? you've already hit the ball!!!

Or does it affect other variables that occured in the impact to follow-through interval?

Gee ...if I have a high finish does the ball behave the same if I have a low left finish?

No...why is that?..i've already hit the ball..But for some unknown reason is does affect ball flight...Doesn't it!!!!!



Sorry..for the bad attitude

some people ...

Get it...

some people ..

Got it.....

for some people...

That's Good...

For those that don't ...

get it....

Keep searchin...

For those that don't..

Got it....

Here's praying that you will...

For those who get it, got it...well that's GOOD!!!

Cheers!!!

annikan skywalker 08-08-2006 05:02 PM

Uncocking the Right Wrist to much....shifts the base line rightward and can cause shanking, blocks and hooks.....Sound Familiar?:naughty:

Burner 08-08-2006 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomo
He is trying to make sure that his right wrist uncocks thru impact and maintain it in follow thru and finish.
Hank Haney told us that at the Australian Teaching Summit. This is how Hank teaches hinge action or as he calls it release.

I would hope that no-one, not even Haney, teaches anyone to cock his right wrist never mind uncock it during release.

Flipping Nora!:naughty:

jerry1967 08-08-2006 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomo
He is trying to make sure that his right wrist uncocks thru impact and maintain it in follow thru and finish.
Hank Haney told us that at the Australian Teaching Summit. This is how Hank teaches hinge action or as he calls it release.

i thought we didn't cock the right wrist? how do we uncock it if we do not cock it?

jerry1967 08-08-2006 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Have you ever studied Hogan's Swing?

Start with Pics from the Hogan Mystique?

Then some footage?

The read some of the nice posts made by other posters...

Do you think the wrsits need stay "uncocked" for that long..creating a follow-through arc that is that long....

Does the Finish swivel need to occur that late?

Does the re-cocking of the wrists need to be delayed that long?

Does the refolding of the elbows need to be articically created?

Does all the above really matter? you've already hit the ball!!!

Or does it affect other variables that occured in the impact to follow-through interval?

Gee ...if I have a high finish does the ball behave the same if I have a low left finish?

No...why is that?..i've already hit the ball..But for some unknown reason is does affect ball flight...Doesn't it!!!!!



Sorry..for the bad attitude

some people ...

Get it...

some people ..

Got it.....

for some people...

That's Good...

For those that don't ...

get it....

Keep searchin...

For those that don't..

Got it....

Here's praying that you will...

For those who get it, got it...well that's GOOD!!!

Cheers!!!

like i said, this didn't tell me anything. i am here to learn how to swing a golf club. thank you for your time though.

Mathew 08-08-2006 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner
I would hope that no-one, not even Haney, teaches anyone to cock his right wrist never mind uncock it during release.

Flipping Nora!:naughty:

I would be curious to know if by cocking he really mean't bending with a C variation grip - which puts the right wrist bend on the same line as the wristcock. As it would then be correct to flatten out the right wrist as the left wrist uncocks during the release.

ChrisNZ 08-08-2006 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry1967
i thought we didn't cock the right wrist? how do we uncock it if we do not cock it?

We could uncock it from level to uncocked.

Mathew 08-08-2006 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
We could uncock it from level to uncocked.

But ideally, the left wrist uncocks - the right wrist remains level....

ChrisNZ 08-08-2006 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathew
But ideally, the left wrist uncocks - the right wrist remains level....

Agreed - just saying you don't need to cock a wrist to uncock it according to golfing machine terminology.

jim_0068 08-08-2006 08:55 PM

Tiger is trying to not swivel and is also trying to swing down the target line more instead of swinging more left.

That is why he looks the way he does.

6bmike 08-08-2006 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry1967
like i said, this didn't tell me anything. i am here to learn how to swing a golf club. thank you for your time though.

Jerry1967-

Annikan may be an acquired taste on this forum, but you will be VERY hard pressed to find two people on any forum that knows more about the golf swing then AS. Skywalker doesn’t spoon feed you information but allows one to think about the answer and the question. And he has fun- I mean how many times can someone answer the same questions with the same answer. Enjoy what he presents- you may like what YOU discover.

peace


btw- I wish everyone could have seen or heard AS's presentation of how the spine works in a golf swing. Those who did understand the relationship between the back swing, axis tilt and why the stationary head exists. (because the spine is not a constant set tilted angle but adjusts itself throughout the stroke-oops) AS Rocks!

12 piece bucket 08-08-2006 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
Jerry1967-

Annikan may be an acquired taste on this forum, but you will be VERY hard pressed to find two people on any forum that knows more about the golf swing then AS. Skywalker doesn’t spoon feed you information but allows one to think about the answer and the question. And he has fun- I mean how many times can someone answer the same questions with the same answer. Enjoy what he presents- you may like what YOU discover.

peace


btw- I wish everyone could have seen or heard AS's presentation of how the spine works in a golf swing. Those who did understand the relationship between the back swing, axis tilt and why the stationary head exists. (because the spine is not a constant set tilted angle but adjusts itself throughout the stroke-oops) AS Rocks!

6B . . . You speak the TRUTH. Diamond D is the REAL DEAL.

AND he KNOWS why the follow through is the way it is. It is a walk on the DARKSIDE.

Jerry . . . Never NEVER EVER NEVER EVER underestimate Annikan. Sometimes you don't get the answers in a way that is easy.

12 piece bucket 08-08-2006 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim_0068
Tiger is trying to not swivel and is also trying to swing down the target line more instead of swinging more left.

That is why he looks the way he does.

Maybe . . . but I think there are those out here that would surmise an entirely different reason. D.O. maybe just maybe.

jerry1967 08-08-2006 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
Jerry1967-

Annikan may be an acquired taste on this forum, but you will be VERY hard pressed to find two people on any forum that knows more about the golf swing then AS. Skywalker doesn’t spoon feed you information but allows one to think about the answer and the question. And he has fun- I mean how many times can someone answer the same questions with the same answer. Enjoy what he presents- you may like what YOU discover.

peace


btw- I wish everyone could have seen or heard AS's presentation of how the spine works in a golf swing. Those who did understand the relationship between the back swing, axis tilt and why the stationary head exists. (because the spine is not a constant set tilted angle but adjusts itself throughout the stroke-oops) AS Rocks!

i am at peace with everbody on here. sorry, maybe someday i will stop and try to figure out what annikan is saying.

jerry1967 08-08-2006 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
We could uncock it from level to uncocked.

i thought in the golf swing we do not cock the right wrist. so how do we uncock the rt wrist if we do not cock?

jerry1967 08-08-2006 10:48 PM

i believe you when you say skywalker knows the golf swing and i thank him for looking at my thread. i quess i am not smart enough to figure his answers.

ChrisNZ 08-09-2006 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry1967
i thought in the golf swing we do not cock the right wrist. so how do we uncock the rt wrist if we do not cock?

Hi Jerry,

TGM defines three possible wrist states: uncocked, level and cocked. The right wrist should ideally remain level - this can be defined as a straight line from the second knuckle on your thumb (counting from thumb tip) to the wrist bone and feels slightly uncocked as compared to how most hands naturally sit. (As an aside, I actually prefer the alternative definition which I think I saw Mike O offer somewhere for a level (right) wrist - which is where the #3 pressure point is in line with the middle of the forearm).

Anyway, if your wrist is cocked it can uncock to level and then further uncock to uncocked. If it is level, it could still theoretically uncock to uncocked, even if the semantics sound kind of funny. But forget that, because you don't actually want to uncock your level right wrist, you just could if you wanted to!!!!!!

Mathew 08-09-2006 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry1967
i thought in the golf swing we do not cock the right wrist. so how do we uncock the rt wrist if we do not cock?

You don't ideally cock the right wrist because there is no need to... it stays level throughout. Its not actually that particularly hard, when expertly handled, to violate this principle when using a swinging procedure and get away with it but that doesn't make it right.

tongzilla 08-09-2006 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim_0068
Tiger is trying to not swivel and is also trying to swing down the target line more instead of swinging more left.

That is why he looks the way he does.

Did Tiger tell you that or are you guessing from what you can observe?

Thanks.

annikan skywalker 08-09-2006 11:20 AM

Although NOT the follow -through...definitley Tiger imitating Ben Hogan...:laughing9 EA Sports....Get in the Game!!!



birdie_man 08-09-2006 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hg
Hogan vs. Woods

  • PGA Victories- 64 vs 50
  • Majors- 9 vs 11
  • Yearly Win Leader, yrs- 5 vs 7 (5 consecutive)
  • Scoring Avg Leader,yrs- 3* vs 6
*includes 2yrs Vardon Trophy Point winner


In 3 years it will be a clean sweep on all these stats.:)
Not bad for 10 years of work.

Hogan didn't play much tho. (I've read)

And also only really started playing good in his 30s....and also almost lost his legs.....and would lose to Tiger in a putting contest....(although it IS part of the game...I'm not gonna try to put that out there as a real bigtime excuse)...

Truly can't take anything away from Tiger though. Just not Hogan either.

birdie_man 08-09-2006 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Have you ever studied Hogan's Swing?

Start with Pics from the Hogan Mystique?

Then some footage?

The read some of the nice posts made by other posters...

Do you think the wrsits need stay "uncocked" for that long..creating a follow-through arc that is that long....

Does the Finish swivel need to occur that late?

Does the re-cocking of the wrists need to be delayed that long?

Does the refolding of the elbows need to be articically created?

Does all the above really matter? you've already hit the ball!!!

Or does it affect other variables that occured in the impact to follow-through interval?

Gee ...if I have a high finish does the ball behave the same if I have a low left finish?

No...why is that?..i've already hit the ball..But for some unknown reason is does affect ball flight...Doesn't it!!!!!



Sorry..for the bad attitude

some people ...

Get it...

some people ..

Got it.....

for some people...

That's Good...

For those that don't ...

get it....

Keep searchin...

For those that don't..

Got it....

Here's praying that you will...

For those who get it, got it...well that's GOOD!!!

Cheers!!!

Ur crazy man....lol

Good post tho.

birdie_man 08-09-2006 01:42 PM

Quote:

Those who did understand the relationship between the back swing, axis tilt and why the stationary head exists. (because the spine is not a constant set tilted angle but adjusts itself throughout the stroke-oops) AS Rocks!
What's this?

Can we get some elaboration up in here???

Or is this top-secret for authorized personnel only? (how does one become authorized....?...I can handle it.....)

annikan skywalker 08-09-2006 06:47 PM

Top Secret...Authorization Breach..Code 6B Mike...Red Alert .....

It's out of the bag..the actual angles of the Spine are not maintained..Red Alert!!!!

Everyone run for cover!!!!


Birdie?

hg 08-10-2006 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdie_man
Hogan didn't play much tho. (I've read)

And also only really started playing good in his 30s....and also almost lost his legs.....and would lose to Tiger in a putting contest....(although it IS part of the game...I'm not gonna try to put that out there as a real bigtime excuse)...

Truly can't take anything away from Tiger though. Just not Hogan either.


Ben Hogan, born in 1912, played in 292 PGA tour events from 1932 to at least 1967 (his last major the US Open T34th). He turned pro in 1929 at age 17. His 1st PGA event was in 1932 at age 20 and his 1st win was in 1940 at age 28. He did not play for 2 years because of WWII from '43-'45. From '45 to '49 he won 37 times. In '49 he was in a car crash. From 1950 to the end of his career he played about 7 events per year. His last win was in 1959 at age 47. (The Colonial)


Tiger Woods to date has played in 210 PGA events.

213 08-10-2006 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Although NOT the follow -through...definitley Tiger imitating Ben Hogan...:laughing9 EA Sports....Get in the Game!!!



get it right!

the tagline is... "it's in the game" :rambo::laughing1

bantamben1 08-10-2006 02:12 AM

they showed some stats on the golf channel and basically hogan and tiger where the only players to ever be in the 20 percent lifetime winning percentage. lets see if at the end of tigers career he is still in it pretty tough tiger was slightly ahead in that position. as of now

birdie_man 08-10-2006 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Top Secret...Authorization Breach..Code 6B Mike...Red Alert .....

It's out of the bag..the actual angles of the Spine are not maintained..Red Alert!!!!

Everyone run for cover!!!!


Birdie?

Bahahahaha.

I dunno when 6B mike posted it just seemed like he'd thought he'd "leaked" something.

Are you gonna off him?

annikan skywalker 08-10-2006 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 213
get it right!

the tagline is... "it's in the game" :rambo::laughing1


Thanks for the correction..

Us ol guys don't play those games that often..

Usually shoot lower on the course than on the screen....

"uncoordinated thumbs"

bambam 08-10-2006 12:27 PM

uneducated thumbs?

I recommend the aquired motion curriculum. Start with pac-man, move on to mario brothers, and then you might be ready for some EA Sports :)

annikan skywalker 08-10-2006 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bambam
uneducated thumbs?

I recommend the aquired motion curriculum. Start with pac-man, move on to mario brothers, and then you might be ready for some EA Sports :)


Thanks Bam Bam....I grew up on Atari, space invaders, then Donkey Kong....and that was very challenging!!!!

6bmike 08-10-2006 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Thanks Bam Bam....I grew up on Atari, space invaders, then Donkey Kong....and that was very challenging!!!!

Then there is the "TGM DOOM" racing through the links taking out bad instructors before they destory the game ... and kill all TGM'ers.

hint: third level- vertical hinge out of the pot bunker and then crank out a quick horizontal hinge as you reach the top to kill the kuykenBreast before advancing to the next hole. If not his throw-away will nip ya.

Don't forget to add as much strenght and wisdom when you re-visit the swamp with Yoda and don't trust anyone on the path before reaching Yoda and Luke. Lots of old YellowBookers will try to lure away from the path and the swamp is tough to navigate alone. The final level "The March into Augusta" is worth it.

(Is it time to wake up?)

annikan skywalker 08-10-2006 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
Then there is the "TGM DOOM" racing through the links taking out bad instructors before they destory the game ... and kill all TGM'ers.

hint: third level- vertical hinge out of the pot bunker and then crank out a quick horizontal hinge as you reach the top to kill the kuykenBreast before advancing to the next hole. If not his throw-away will nip ya.

Don't forget to add as much strenght and wisdom when you re-visit the swamp with Yoda and don't trust anyone on the path before reaching Yoda and Luke. Lots of old YellowBookers will try to lure away from the path and the swamp is tough to navigate alone. The final level "The March into Augusta" is worth it.



(Is it time to wake up?)


Sounds like some "cool drugs" though....got some for us?


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