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Trig 01-27-2005 09:08 PM

Impact bag video
 
Check out the impact bag video. Yoda shows how to use this training aid.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...-ImpactBag.wmv

It's in the Swamp/Video album.

Comment here!

PS - Forgive my home-movie quality....we had a dark cold day that day.

Doug 01-27-2005 10:20 PM

Thank You for putting up the video.

Great stuff..Off to the garage to put a hurt on my bag :!:

Trig 01-28-2005 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug
Thank You for putting up the video.

Great stuff..Off to the garage to put a hurt on my bag :!:

You are welcome! It's fun to watch even for me - and I was there!

LSH 01-28-2005 08:13 AM

Excellent timing!!!
 
You posted this at a very opportune time for me. I had planned to leave work early to go to a sporting goods store to purchase an impact bag.

Thank You
Steve

rgkeller 01-30-2005 05:34 PM

I don't get the idea of this drill.

The exaggerated bent/arched left wrist through impact, all the pressure points behind the shaft, and the right arm decidedly below the left arm all combine to promote an open clubface and a dead block.

What am I trying to learn with this drill?

mgjordan 01-30-2005 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller
I don't get the idea of this drill.

The exaggerated bent/arched left wrist through impact, all the pressure points behind the shaft, and the right arm decidedly below the left arm all combine to promote an open clubface and a dead block.

What am I trying to learn with this drill?

The resaon the right arm is below the left is because you go DOWN plane. The right arm and right shoulder drive the club DOWN plane into the ground. The reason his left wrist is arched is because he is hitting an impact back with lots of resistance. If it were a ball, the left wrist wouldn't arch like that. The dowel would move with the left arm through a ball, but in the demonstration the dowel doesn't move with the arm because it is stuck on an impact bag...the causes a bowing appearence of the left wrist. The pressure points directly behind the shaft will not cause an open clubface...if anything, they will promote a square one. Having the hands ahead of the clubhead has nothing to do with an open, shut, or square face. Left wrist control has to do with the clubface. The hands ahead of the clubhead is the key to good impact alignments.

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/115009/1/4111111
http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/90792/1/3182197
http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80516/1/3060934

rgkeller 01-30-2005 07:27 PM

Andrade is in a dead block position with his left arm off his chest BEFORE impact.

O'Grady and Hogan are connected in a powerful impact position that looks nothing like the impact bag video drill.

I still do not see the value of the drill extended into an impact bag a couple of feet in front of the left foot with the left wrist high and arched.

But then, I'm not a Yoda.

EdZ 01-30-2005 07:57 PM

The value is there - just add 'swivel' - rotation of the entire unit.

What you are seeing is the 'package' being delivered into the bag. Now imagine that package rotating through around PP1. If you indeed reached this position in a full swing, yes, I would consider that a block, however you can play that way very well, you just must swing left. An angled hinge that comes closer to a verticle hinge than a horizontal one.

Just ask Trevino, blocks can work, but IMO you give up some power (transfer power) for control.

mgjordan 01-30-2005 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller
Andrade is in a dead block position with his left arm off his chest BEFORE impact.

O'Grady and Hogan are connected in a powerful impact position that looks nothing like the impact bag video drill.

I still do not see the value of the drill extended into an impact bag a couple of feet in front of the left foot with the left wrist high and arched.

But then, I'm not a Yoda.

Like I said, the reason you see the exagerated look is because he is hitting a very heavy impact bag. If it were a ball, you wouldn't have the resistance and the hands wouldn't press forward independantly from the clubhead. You would get a look like this:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...-ImpactBag.wmv

The benefit for having the bag forward of impact is because impact ins't a station. Followthrough is. You wan't to drive your wedges THROUGH impact not to it. You want them to stay in alignment until both arms are straight.

If you work with the impact bag, you will have a powerful, "Hogan like" impact position. Does Lynn look like he is doing anything exagerated here?:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/copperm...m=6&pos=13

That is what impact bag work gets you.

Yoda 01-31-2005 04:53 AM

Dragging Baby Brother
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller
I don't get the idea of this drill.

The exaggerated bent/arched left wrist through impact, all the pressure points behind the shaft, and the right arm decidedly below the left arm all combine to promote an open clubface and a dead block.

What am I trying to learn with this drill?

[Bold by Yoda.]

rg,

This drill teaches you to keep your Left Wrist Flat and to deliver Clubhead Lag Pressure through the Ball. These are the two things you absolutely must do to reach your potential as a player. And, make no mistake, each Stroke in the video did both.

Regarding the post-Impact alignments you have observed:

1. In the video, as Mgjordan correctly noted, I am Impacting a heavy Bag with a light stick. The Bag is non-resilient, and its mass is several hundred times greater than that of a Golf Ball. I am Making a Motion, the bottom portion of which has been rudely interrupted by the Bag hitting the stick just as hard as the stick is hitting the Bag. My Left Arm and Wrist have not suffered the same collision. Hence, the stick has been buried in the Bag; my Arms and Hands have continued forward; and the extreme alignments you have observed are simply God's Plan. In fact, for the alignments to be any less extreme, at Impact I would have had to Quit. And that wasn't going to happen!

2. Further, I amTraining with the express purpose of eliminating the Golfer's Public Enemy #1: The Bent Left Wrist through Impact. I am training to take Lag Pressure to Both Arms Straight and beyond. As stated in the video, Impact alignments at a normal Ball Location are irrelevant to my purpose. Also, the Angled Hinge Action (and its Rhythm) of this Hitting Stroke have been stifled by the Impact. For obvious reasons, the Finish Swivel is non-existent.

3. Even so, the Motion is not as exaggerated as you think. While it is obviously a wrench of your concepts -- and those of tens of millions of other golfers as well -- what you see in the video is what the great playersFeel through Impact. And the reason they get such different results than we do is because they get there -- Through the Ball with a Flat Left Wrist -- and we don't. It's as simple as that! All this is good news because you are now standing at The Gateway to your best golf.

Rarely do Players -- even the 'good' Players -- sustain the Clubhead Lag Pressure through Impact. In fact, Lag Pressure Point Pressure is in its greatest jeopardy 3-6 inches before Impact: What should have been a sustained drive to Both Arms Straight becomes a Throw. To be sure, it can be an 'expertly' delivered Throw, but it is a Throw nonetheless. And history's great strikers don't Throw...they Drive! Hitting or Swinging, they Drive. I'll put some photos up soon that will surprise you.

Homer Kelley told us:

"The Clubhead Lag 'lays' into the [Right Forefinger] #3 Pressure Point. The Club doesn't want to go along, but it has to. You don't Throw the Club! It's like dragging your baby brother."

Now, it's up to you. It's one thing to read about a drill. It's another thing to see it done and to ponder its usefulness. But to actually do it and enjoy its benefits -- aah, there's the rub!

"Do or do not. There is no try."

DDL 01-31-2005 06:51 AM

..........

Yoda 01-31-2005 07:17 AM

Continuing Ed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDL

This drill would reinforce or demsonstrate Ben Doyle's comment that impact doesn't end at the ball, but lasts until followthrough.

If one is striking balls after practicing this drill, should one think of impact in terms of followthrough? Thinking of impact in terms of...well..impact...causes throwing as you say.

[Bold by Yoda.]

DDL,

1. The Clubhead Lag has no Release Point (6-C-2-A).

2. Take all Strokes to the Both Arms Straight Position (6-H-0-C).

rgkeller 01-31-2005 08:55 AM

My problem when doing TGM stuff is an ARCHED left wrist.

But I'll start whacking away at the impact bag.

Yoda 01-31-2005 12:15 PM

"Doctor, We Have An Arch-er In The ER"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller
My problem when doing TGM stuff is an ARCHED left wrist.

But I'll start whacking away at the impact bag.

The old Arched Left Wrist problem, eh?

At the Top? At Impact? Hitting or Swinging or both?

Get on over to the Emergency Room, tell'em your problem and see what the Swing Docs have to say. No reason to endure this pain by yourself. Besides, a cyber-cure might be immediately available!

SwingNorthtoSouth 01-31-2005 06:07 PM

The snow can also be used to replace the impact bag that you dont have.
With your feet on the dry cement walkway, just move some snow with a shovel so its high enough. Swing away and feel the lag and the flat left wrist as your shaft hits the snow and plows through!!!!.

Yoda 02-03-2005 02:14 AM

A Historic Moment In TGM History -- The Swing Of The Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller

What am I trying to learn with this drill?

Back again, rg, as promised in my first reply above (Dragging Baby Brother). This time I'm bringing photos illustrating the fact that my Follow-Through alignments in the Impact Bag demonstration are virtually identical with those of the great Champions of history. The only reason they appear somewhat exaggerated is that I was Following Through with the Arms and Hands (No Quitting!) while the dowel could only remain buried in the Bag. With several hundred times more mass than that of an actual golf ball, the Bag would barely move (much less rebound resiliently off the dowel and into the air!). Imagine the photos below if the Clubshafts were not permitted to move further forward than the Impact Bag's location.


I'll begin with a still from my video; follow with a series of five photos (the last an LBG Classic); and then link to a very special, indeed historically significant, video. Here we go:




Yoda At Impact Bag Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Byron Nelson At Impact




Lee Trevino At Immediately Post-Impact




Ben Hogan at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Gary Player at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Homer Kelley at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)



And now, for a very special, first time in history treat, click on:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery.../3-HKSwing.wmv

...and watch the only known video Swing of The Master himself, along with his personal audio lesson from 6-E-2.

Enjoy!

Matt 02-03-2005 02:37 AM

Wow. :shock:

Very, very nice.

12 piece bucket 02-03-2005 08:38 AM

This is precisely the type of content and information that makes this site, even in its infancy, the best on the planet.

As we say in NC . . . ITJUS'DON'TGITNOBETTER'N'NAT.

And . . . notice not just the intact wedge alignments, but how about the "tripods?"

rgkeller 02-03-2005 08:51 AM

OKAY, OKAY.

I am convinced and have already begun whacking away at my bag.

Doug 02-03-2005 09:47 AM

Yoda

Great work :!:

Thank You.............

Yoda 02-03-2005 12:57 PM

Y'all Come Back Now!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

This is precisely the type of content and information that makes this site, even in its infancy, the best on the planet.

As we say in NC . . . ITJUS'DON'TGITNOBETTER'N'NAT.

[Bold by Yoda.]

Aw shucks, Colonel...T'warn't nuthin! But -- 'hmmm doggies' -- we do 'pre-shate' them kind words. And as we say down in Gawja...

"Y'all come back soon now, heanh?"

:D

Theodan 02-04-2005 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller
OKAY, OKAY.

I am convinced and have already begun whacking away at my bag.

One of two possibilities here.....

1) Step away from the computer, buster. What have you done with the real keller?

or

2) They are iceskating in Hades.

:)

Charlie(max)

jr33 02-04-2005 12:30 AM

what a divot
 
Now that is a divot!

6bmike 02-04-2005 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theodan
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller
OKAY, OKAY.

I am convinced and have already begun whacking away at my bag.

One of two possibilities here.....

1) Step away from the computer, buster. What have you done with the real keller?

or

2) They are iceskating in Hades.

:)

Charlie(max)

Ahhh, so this is the rgkeller from GEA? :-k

Okay, so I do believe in miracles then. =D>

The power of TGM at work. \:D/

12 piece bucket 02-27-2005 09:54 PM

Re: A Historic Moment In TGM History -- The Swing Of The Mas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller

What am I trying to learn with this drill?

Back again, rg, as promised in my first reply above (Dragging Baby Brother). This time I'm bringing photos illustrating the fact that my Follow-Through alignments in the Impact Bag demonstration are virtually identical with those of the great Champions of history. The only reason they appear somewhat exaggerated is that I was Following Through with the Arms and Hands (No Quitting!) while the dowel could only remain buried in the Bag. With several hundred times more mass than that of an actual golf ball, the Bag would barely move (much less rebound resiliently off the dowel and into the air!). Imagine the photos below if the Clubshafts were not permitted to move further forward than the Impact Bag's location.


I'll begin with a still from my video; follow with a series of five photos (the last an LBG Classic); and then link to a very special, indeed historically significant, video. Here we go:




Yoda At Impact Bag Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Byron Nelson At Impact




Lee Trevino At Immediately Post-Impact




Ben Hogan at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Gary Player at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Homer Kelley at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)



And now, for a very special, first time in history treat, click on:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/copperm...m=10&pos=0

...and watch the only known video Swing of The Master himself, along with his personal audio lesson from 6-E-2.

Enjoy!

Is it possible to figure out what type of Hinge Action we're seeing in these pictures? Curious.

GPStyles 07-29-2008 01:21 PM

found it in the free videos section.

the swivel action videos complemented it immensely

okie 07-29-2008 04:46 PM

Apples and Oranges
 
GPStyles,

That is an astute connection. Many people execute the downswing as a swivel action, as opposed to reaching full extention (both arms straight) and THEN executing the finish swivel. Although Trevino did not execute a finish swivel (as far as I can tell) studying the angle of his right forearm approach allowed me to seperate THE follow through from THE finish. Without a precise followthrough the finish tends to be contrived, off-plane and for show! Once those arms are pulled as taught as guidewires where else can you go but swiveling back on the face of the plane? I have found that if I focus on taking my power package to both arms straight...I swivel. A more important distinction is also seperating hinge action from the finish swivel.

"Every seperate item in the stroke is properly understood only when learned and mastered separately and its seperate identity maintained." - Homer Kelley

GPStyles 07-30-2008 05:34 PM

:redface:

Thank you

okie 07-31-2008 04:49 PM

Sweet!
 
Did I actually help?:dance:

GPStyles 08-01-2008 10:20 AM

not any direct help, but it was a nice massage for my ego!


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