Extensor Force...#1 PP or #3 PP...Which is easier to "Stretch"?
 

Which is easiest to stretch the left arm for your personally?

1.) #1 PP pulling on the left thumb?
2.) #3 PP...Artificial tight forefinger
3.) Both?


* Clue: Is one(#3PP) to pull the shaft in-line w/ the left arm to establish the Left Arm Flying Wedge alignment ...the other(#1PP) to support the power package structure of the Flying Wedges?


. Stretching on the Left Arm through the #3 Presure Point gives the same action as pulling both ends of a rope. That is, it pulls both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft tautly in a straight line. That, and just moving from “Bent Left Wrist” to “Flat Left Wrist” during – and as – the Loading Action are very effective for Short Shot procedures (10-19-0). However, improperly executed, it can cause Clubhead Throwaway. In which case, use only #1 Pressure Point and pull on the left thumb to then hold at least the Left Arm in-line and retain Power Package structural rigidity.

Hitters and Swingers differ...

. For Hitters – substituting Extensor Action for Acceleration in both directions. For Swingers – the “Bending Right Wrist” and/or “Extensor Action Takeaway” will – more or less, as desired – snap the Clubshaft into its In-Line condition (with Left Arm) with little or no Arm Motion except what results (intentionally) from Clubhead momentum.

I'm guessing that this is a subtlety that is probably beyond me... I'm a wannabe hitter or a new hitter if you prefer. I actually never 'feel' pp3. I just use #1, but your post intrigued me and down I went to the mirror in the basement ... I found that using both allowed me to 'feel' #1 AND it made it easier to maintain a bent and more importantly..level right wrist. Is it okay to use both???

That was part of the original question...I think yes...IMO #3 for snapping the shaft " In-Line" with the Left Arm and #1 for Structural support of the Power Package....

I think there is a correlation between extensor action and where its applied either in pp3 or pp1 and the no.2 accumulator.

Because the stretch is always below plane - towards the plane line. It is my belief at this time that if you solely apply extensor action and trace with pp3 with that pressure always going towards the plane line, that acc no.2 never gets fully loaded which is fine for some shots such as a chip. Inorder to load no.2 the extensor action must be applied by no.1.

It is just my interpretation and it may not be correct. I believe in it almost blends in to one another depending on the loading - In my own stroke I try to start-up with no.3 applies the pressure towards the plane line and right towards the end of the backstroke, it switches to no.1 as my left wrist cocks - snap loading the power package.... If I was doing a full sweep this would happen alot sooner in the backstroke.....

For me it is PP#1.

Using of PP#3 caused me to loose the ablity to monitor the lag. In fact until I visited Yoda I rarely felt it. During my session with Yoda, we used a small piece of stretch band to practice using PP#1 and extensor action, the feel, etc. After that, about 30 minutes of continuing into the lesson, Ah-Ha, what is that I feel on PP#3?

Just an unscientific observation/comment/opinion, I think that most golfers would benefit from the use of PP#1 for extensor action and in grain PP#3 for monitoring, at least until they have developed sound mechanics into feel.

Both for me
 

Extensor action is in opération from Impact fix to the end of Follow through. I seems to me that it is difficult to keep the stretch during the whole time with one single "pulling point".
I, personally, feel easier to pull on the left thumb (I feel a more "axial" action on the left arm than wit #3 PP) from impact fix to the end of backstroke and then add #3PP from the top to the follow through.
It is a very personal feeling and all the comments are very instructives.
Thank you for this question
Pm

PP#1 is not only easier, it is safer!

PP#3 is useful around the greens though.

I don't think pulling on the left thumb is quite the right image for extensor action. It is a good image for plane though.

Extensor action is a motion "away from center", and unless you have zero #3 accumulator, that is not the same direction as pulling the left thumb.

For y'all that employ the #1 pressure point to apply Extensor Action . . .

Do you feel the heel of the Right Hand STRONG against the Left Thumb at Address/Fix?

I was fooling around with this after reading this thread. Seems like if you feel active EF with PP1 you have almost welded the Right Forearm to the Clubshaft.

I am not sure what you mean by 'welded'... If you are say that it forces the alignment of the forearm to the shaft I would agree providing you are getting the left thumb around to the aft side.

At Fix, the right heel is not a right angle force on the left thumb for me, it is more at 45 or 60 degree downward pressure. It is enough that when I am using the hitting procedure to create the frozen bent right wrist. When using the swinging procedure I still start for Impact Fix and feel the right wrist constraint but not as prevelant during the stoke as with a hit.

One thing is for sure there is a different feel for this based on the RIGHT thumbs position. That right thumb needs to be wrapped over the top of the shaft, at least for me.

I wiil say one thing.....I know the importance of extensor force...but it sure is hard as hell to convince some of my students...they say it doesn't feel right....but we know it is right...so much for the arms swinging back and forth mindset...when you got "the stretch on"....It feel more like the dog(Pitbull) on the leash to me as described in the glossary......:rolleyes:

Grand Master of Chapter 10
 

I think I have been misguided. In effort to apply proper Extensor Action, I have unwittingly "stressed" my Left Wrist. The result has been a wrist that has not achieved its true fully-Cocked attitude.

Am I wrong that the "right side" e.g. the Right Forearm has the full resposiblity to maintain the structure of the Power Package?

This would appear to be the case since we are of course advised to employ a Left Arm that is essentially inert.

After an enjoyable afternoon of countless hours of playing Spiderman and Wolverine with Lil' Bucket Parfait, I was able to steal away to number 11 fairway to strike a few wedge shots. I feel that I have a firm grasp upon the 1st Imperative. So it was my intention to keep a relaxed Left Arm, the left elbow inparticular. As such, it was my right side that applied needed structure to my PACKAGE (uh hun).

Your thoughful consideration to the above would be much appreciated. I trust that you are having a pleasant Saturday evening. Very well then.

Sincerely,

2 peas in a buck-it.

Nothing wrong with a little stretch below the surface......As a matter of fact when you've got the stretch it makes that Left Wrist action more noticeable....Lock in with the right .....monitor the left wrist/hand....#2 & #3 respectively.....

pp3 then pp3
 

As you describe, pp3 first- as it snaps the wedges in line and then pp1 as the right elbow folds and cocks acc2. On the downswing pp1 til release (5.5), then pp3 into impact.
Educated Hands means they need to monitor a whole lot of things through the pressure points- all at the same swing interval. Depending on the Stroke- pp2 is uncocking at some point. PP3 is the clubhead as well as a passive or active pressure point. And I like to think of pp4 as “the Flat Left Wrist”- the ‘lower end’ of the accumulator. The Hands are the club.

This is interesting and worth further examination. . .

What do you mean/feel here?

Thanks man!

B

well maybe more shoulder hinge action
 

As Prince plays.....I know pp4 is the location where left arm and shoulder meet, but I see the whole left arm and flat wrist, too. Come to think... maybe I’m not see acc4 but the action of the shoulder as a hinge. Maybe more the rhythm of acc3. Prince over, back to that Wild and Crazy Guy.... no not you 12 piece.