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cometgolfer 09-09-2005 11:17 AM

Left Arm Pulling or Inert?
 
As a swinger am I "pulling" my left arm at start down into release? How does this relate to an "inert" left arm.... which seems to imply a left arm that is essentially doing nothing?

wedgeboy 09-09-2005 11:38 AM

My feel is the left arm "pulls" because it is connected to the left shoulder. As my right shoulder goes down plane, my left shoulder goes back and up, pulling my left arm with it.

This may not be official TGM but it works well for me.

tongzilla 09-09-2005 12:25 PM

Re: Left Arm Pulling or Inert?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cometgolfer
As a swinger am I "pulling" my left arm at start down into release? How does this relate to an "inert" left arm.... which seems to imply a left arm that is essentially doing nothing?

Inert left arm = no left arm muscle power.
Advice: do not try and pull with your left arm when Swinging!

Inertia can hold the Left Arm against the chest while the Body Turn is accelerating it and Momentum can then sustain it and come out with the Feel of Left Arm Power. See 2-M-4.

Get your butt off your chair and do this exercise to help you understand the previous paragraph:

1) Go to your normal address position and take a grip without a club.

2) Go to top of your backstroke.

3) Now "bump" your hips towards the target. This is the Hip Slide and is not exaggerated- only a little slide- enough to feel the tension of your left shoulder tighten. Notice how the angle formed by the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder decreases slightly (see photo in 6-B-4-0).

(Side note: Yoda usually talks about the Right Shoulder driving down plane to provide the Left Arm blast off, rather than hip slide/bump. This is like a Right Shoulder bump rather than a hip bump. It's the same. They both provide left side tension. If you do the Hip Slide properly, your right shoulder should move downplane (and on plane!) anyway- which is what Yoda is refering to)

4) Now, immediately after you feel this left side tension, release your right hand grip and perform a normal downstroke body turn. It need not be quick. Notice how your Left Arm springs off / blasts off your chest into the finish while maintaining reasonably straight with the help of Centrifugal Force.

Congratulations! You have just experienced Pivot Thrust and Momentum Transfer. This is how Swingers get most of their power. See 2-K. And this is why Swingers ain't got problems with Release Deceleration (6-F-0), while Hitters do! However, both Swingers and Hitters need to overcome Impact deceleration. But thats another topic...

cometgolfer 09-09-2005 12:41 PM

Feel
 
Wedge and Tong,

Thanks for the input. Both make sense and Tongzilla's drill does provide a great visual and feel of left arm blast-off without the having to feel as if the left arm is being "pulled" down. I think this may have been an area of fog that I've struggled with for quite some time and one that has led to tension in the left arm/wrist/hand, thus interfering with ability to let CF uncock the left wrist properly.

Thanks gentlemen! I'm off to incorporate it into my feel system.

birdie_man 09-09-2005 02:31 PM

I haven't read any of the posts...

But I like to feel like I'm pulling down with the underside of my left arm....left hand "karate chop" on the back of the ball....then trust CF to square the clubface for me.

It looks like Tong explained that the l. arm actually adds little power...

EdZ 09-09-2005 02:44 PM

Radius power is a measurement. How far you grip down on the grip makes a difference - lever length. As a swinger the 'feels' tend to be better focused on the left hand motion.

tongzilla 09-09-2005 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdie_man
I haven't read any of the posts...

But I like to feel like I'm pulling down with the underside of my left arm....left hand "karate chop" on the back of the ball....then trust CF to square the clubface for me.

It looks like Tong explained that the l. arm actually adds little power...

I suggest you try out my drill! :)

Per 6-B-4-0, "Left Arm Power" in any form or amount can still be considered #4 Accumulator Action. Otherwise it actually substitues for the Pivot to introduce the circular motion required to produce Centrifugal Force.

12 piece bucket 09-09-2005 09:52 PM

ECox actually helped me out with this. PP4 gets loaded. The pivot SLINGS the club INTO THE GROUND. And then the BLASTING OFF the chest pulls the club out of the ground. Sling the entire Primary Lever Assembly INTO THE GROUND and let the Pivot pull it out via the left arm being blasted off the chest.

SwingNorthtoSouth 09-10-2005 03:42 AM

Can you relate to this feel like watching a baseball player take practice swings. I always watch their left arm and see how it swings. Is this more of the action you are talking about..............

DDL 09-10-2005 04:26 AM

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6bmike 09-10-2005 12:37 PM

Homer uses both terms, either in the book, on a tape or other from other writing.

The Golfing Machine ONLY speaks in precision. Homer said, “Precision is recognizing and reconciling minute differentiations.” Nothing in golf speaks of precise motions like TGM.

Gyroscope is mentioned in the glossary of terms. Homer used the term when he described the right shoulder action in Bobby Clampett’s Downswing.

Blast off is a perpendicular action off a plane. Rockets off a horizontal plane and a swimmer blasts off a angled plane. A punch can blast off a vertical shoulder. Homer writes of a “Downstroke blast off from The Top.” in 2-N–0, which may or may not be we are talking about exactly.

Homer uses the phrase in his Notes. ‘Notes from Homer’ #18- Let the left arm BLAST off the chest after it moves on your chest in the back Swing.

Btw, we know it is the right shoulder that blasts off the left arm- not a pull. See Yoda’s archived posts:

"...the Right Shoulder Turn Thrust ‘cranks the Gyroscope’ by blasting the Left Arm off the chest."

This blast off, I believe, is never fully achieved as the pivot keeps contact with the left arm throughout the stroke. This is why ECox can discribe two blast off motions.

I have never known Lynn to substitute or create words that were not first used by Homer Kelley. He is funny that way. LOL
:D

fogger 09-22-2005 07:53 AM

Re: Left Arm Pulling or Inert?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Quote:

Originally Posted by cometgolfer
As a swinger am I "pulling" my left arm at start down into release? How does this relate to an "inert" left arm.... which seems to imply a left arm that is essentially doing nothing?

3) Now "bump" your hips towards the target. This is the Hip Slide and is not exaggerated- only a little slide- enough to feel the tension of your left shoulder tighten. Notice how the angle formed by the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder decreases slightly (see photo in 6-B-4-0).
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I have read where VJ Singh has worked on a bump on the range with the assistance of his caddie's watchful eyes. Sometimes he thinks he does when he actually does not. VJ's backswing is quite slow and deliberate but if your swing is not, how would you know when you actually got it right?

mb6606 09-22-2005 09:21 AM

LB,CE right side BM,BD left side????

Here is BM's take on it
http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/for... erms=frisbee

6bmike 09-22-2005 09:34 AM

The right shoulder cranks due to the left side pulling- pivot- in the swing stroke.

Check Manzella frisbee toss.

LB, BD and BM agree.


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