EVOLVING from HITTING to SWINGING!
 

[quote=lagster]I have heard Peter Croker's swing analysis by a G.S.E.D.. He says this is a SWING. His talk about PUSHING, is relating more to Extensor Action.


Dear Lagster,

In the swing analysis done by Paul Hart (G.S.E.D.)I give my "preferred motion."
However for someone starting out into learning to swing a golf club, a shorter "Hitting" motion has less moving parts.

To me it is an evolution. The more skilled you become, the more relaxed you can make your muscles and the more the centrifugal force can take effect.

Alignments are first and then power follows. That is my take on it at this point in time.

Kind Regards,

Peter:)

Straight from the "horses mouth"...
 

Straight from the "horses mouth"...pushing the collar or pulling the wagon...hmmm....Thanks Peter ...for your insight and correction...

Thanks Peter, I really like your site btw. I'd heard you and Martin Green had worked together for a while, and I just got his "Push for Perfection" video. The cart and the horse analogy that Anikan mentioned and Martin talked about in his video have cleared things up.

Im sticking to the TGM "swing model" after some great success I had a couple nights ago keeping a FLW and ending up in the "Chanpions at Impact" pictures here on Lynns site.

I was amazed after just taking a real easy, smooth swing how far and straight I hit the ball. Just concentrated on an exagerated FLW and keeping my head over my right knee at impact. IM SOLD ON TGM!

You do mention the right arm but you never talked about the right hand. I was going to go back and view the Hart series to double check but I see you are now selling them along with the Lynn Blake version of the TT tapes that Delaware Golf provided this forum and the video “letters” from Lee D. They are still free here, I think.

I watched the series a few weeks back and was surprised that with all the right side talk that the right hand wasn’t mentioned. Really. But I didn’t get to double check. I don’t remember you talking about its FBL condition or about the Flying Wedges, etc. You do talk about a sweep- early release of the right arm on the downswing. A throw from the top. Evershed never stops talking about the condition of the right hand and wrist- that bent sucker is his god.


I believe that pull is a left side fling (I can propel a Frisbee with a pull and NEVER push anything) using centrifugal force- pure Newton and a push is a right side drive exploding down off a solid pivot (base).

You cannot push a pull. You cannot pull a push.

Someone can teach a hybrid - a right arm that “swings” moving the center off the left shoulder and onto the right arm elbow. As Homer said you would need loose wrists to put some kind of whirl into the swing. But I think the right arm works best when it straightens through low point- a Hit.

I prefer Homer’s Swing and Hit components. Let Mother Nature Whirl and Blur or the let the Wheaties and Wonder Bread- that built my muscles- do its thing and smash dimples to China. Just my preference. Not saying what you teach is wrong. I know it is a fine golf stroke. It took Lynn Blake to take the Hit pattern that Homer taught and teach it beyond a punch shot or specialty shot TT talks about. It is so different then a Swing, either a pull swing or a push right arm swing.

Options? Plenty. Some work better than others.
Alignments? They never change. On plane is on plane. The Flying Wedges are the same and so forth.
Changes? Whirl or smash. Are you pulling or pushing? Is the pivot rotational or a solid foundation to push off of?

Great man.

Those sound, to me, like a couple good keys you have there....Impact oriented...

All I can say is if you have a decent stroke....build upon it rather than trying to find "another one"....

This even is in TGM....(along with a lot of advice like this)....but even then it's tough to do all these things right (I mean learn a swing) when there's SO many things to pay attention to.

Dunno....just wanted to advize of that....cause there's a lot of info there to "get lost in" (at least for a while...you'd get thru it eventually....esp. with an AI)....

-setup (always go back to this...as much precision and understanding as possible)
-trained pivot
-educated hands
-3 Imparatives (how do YOU repeat them best?)

Mr. Croker (Peter)~

If there is one thing that distinguishes the CGS, for me it is the possibility of eliminating the hip slide in the transition and the coordination requirements that tax the skills of the "average amateur." If I understand your setup correctly, the impact spine tilt is preset at address and the move forward is more "rotational." A key to all of this is understanding how you define the pivot??

DRW

Birdie,

Exactly, the jumping around with swings is only impeding my improvement. Im going to get the 7th edt. before I see Lynn or Brian only because I feel like after studying multiple swings theories I could probably figure out a lot of the so called technical stuff after multiple readings.

Plus if Im going to hang out on this site I need to know the language, so to speak.
Thanks again for your input,youve been helpful....

The PERFECT PIVOT for LEAST BACK STRAIN!
 

Dear Doc,

You are spot on here! Hip slide is not necessary in any large degree when you preset and pivot as we recommend. There is much less chance of back and hip stress too!

Our Pivot Precision video download nails it best!

When the set up has the axis tilt in such an alignment to have the left side (from the hip down) in a vertical condition(our doorway drill for the stance and to help monitor the backswing pivot of the hips) - the hip rotation in the backswing has the right hip turning through the right heel and back in towards the left heel(Ben Hogan did this well). The right knee remains flexed and there is a spring loading of the base from the hips down.
With this coiling action, the left knee motion in the backswing is out in the direction of the left toes. This stops drifting towards the back foot.
This helps the spine tilt remain unchanged through the backswing and at transition, the left hip clears easily and rotates fully and attempts to unwind through the straightening left leg and back into the right foot (similar to a baseball player hitting a home run. At impact they are clearly hitting off and away from their rear foot.)
The releasing hands, arms and club act as a counter balance and the net result is some forward motion of the hips in most cases, but as we say "Shift happens!"
Words are not as good a svideo or "hands on" for understanding precisely what we mean, but this is my best shot at describing in words what the Pivot of the hips does and how to minimize hip slide and therefore the need for a higher skill level and timing.

I appreciate the interest in our TGM Pattern and I am keen to have a personal session with Lynne to share of 24 Component Definitions with "hands on" so that the best understandings can happen.

Kind Regards,
Peter Croker:)

TGM Happenings...Soon To Be Upside Down
 

Thank you for posting, Peter.

I respect your life-long work in Golf as a player, instructor and knowledgeable proponent of TGM. Most of all, I respect your non-confrontational means of moving golf forward.

:)

I am sure our paths will cross one day, and I truly am looking forward to it.

:salut:

Golf – originally a game for gentlemen. Great to see there are still instructors naturally inclined that way!!!