No, if the cluhead travel on the path is proper, with the ball located back from the low point, the clubhead will continue to travel down (this is where it get to the level of the low point) and out and forward. Prior to low point in almost all shots, the club is moving as describe above. So any line you could draw on the plane between the Impact line and Low point line will be crossed till low point is reached where the club the continues forward but up and in. Side note the clubhead will pass through the impact line twice, once on the way down and once again on the way back up. Only the once will it touch the low point line.

Would you agree that the impact point and the separation point are on the plane but are not the same line?

I would disagree that the Low Point Plane Line looks like the Impact Plane line for the simple reason that you would have to be looking down the at the lines at the same angle of the Plane. The golfers traditional position does not place the eyes on the Plane. But if you did look down the plane at that angle, you would only see the one line, as the one would be on top of the other.

Mechanically Tracing the basic plane line (clubshaft plane at impact definition) is what happens in a good golf shot and is what should be used when analyzing the golf stroke. Note the definition of this line IMO needs to be defined at IMPACT or IMPACT FIX, hopefully both are one of the same.

To eliminate the mechanics in the golf stroke, to free up the golfers power, FEEL is the key here. I am sure that most people who first exerperience the plane board discover a new feel, even for partial shots.

This is a case of 'Feels Like' but 'Really Is'.

The more I review TGM, the more I am coming to realize that Homer wasn't explaining mechanics per-se he was explaining the 'Feels Like' of the 'Really Is'. For example the thrust applied cross line for a hitter is a the correct application and feel, but in reality the golf clubs path doesn't have a bent plane line to accomodate this cross line application.

Cotton was definitely on to something when he said the golf stroke was in the hands, Homer was able to translate that and bridge the gap between mechanics and feel.

Obviously I have been slow in my education cause as I look back at my notes, the book, Feel is all over the place in the book. Just because this book has a techincal format and style, it should not be approach or considered that is only a mechanical description, it is or I am coming to the conclusion that is foundation and bridge between the proper mechanics (as defined using geometry and physics) the Feel to accomplish this.

I am not sure that this is the best anology, but here goes. When shooting a wadded up paper into a basket across the room, do you look at the basket, the front rim, the center, or the back rim? You focus on the back and apply the force to push it to the back to get it to drop in the center.

Sigh...you missed my point regarding the Impact/Low Point Plane Line discussion Martee! I'll leave it to Philly to clear up the mess!

By the way, Thrust is always Cross Line (think Right Forearm Angle of Approach and Aiming Point), even for the Swinger. However, Delivery Motion is On Line. Please tell me I haven't opened another can of worms](*,)

Sorry I missed you point, but either my reading or your writing led me to my response.

As for you last statement, I didn't question the application of thrust crossline, I question that the description by itself leads to bent plane lines when a golfer reads crossline. Okay they don't understand the concept, actually the lack a good understanding of the geometry of golf stroke.

Golfers don't bend plane lines cause they think they should, they bend them cause they have been told too or they think they have been told too by some other action in the golf stroke.

Martee, remember that every separate item in the Stroke is properly understood only when learned and mastered separately and its separate identity maintained.

Lets drop it, This thread has gone sideways enough and I understand that. That wasn't the point or intent of this thread, it was merely to clear up a misconception that runs ramptant on these forums regarding the Inclined Plane and Analyzing the golf stroke.

....but I said "when you Trace with the ClubSHAFT"...I mean specifically- the ClubSHAFT. It comes out of the Hosel. So if you trace with it....technically (I put that in CAPS but it could be italicized too) it would hit the Hosel, no?

i.e.- if you were to trace the Plane Line (that goes right through the ball) with the ClubSHAFT (as if it physically extended out the sole of the club for a few inches....).

That's exactly what I mean.

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I hope I have properly understood what you said in your post...

If you use the a Plane Line that has the ball on it, then yes tracing it with the clubshaft would have the hosel hit it.

That plane line would be the Target Line, one might argue it is the sweetspot plane line, however if you move the club so that the shaft/hosel in on that line, then the sweetspot has move to the outside of the ball, etc.


Yeah I think we are on the same page.

I think I need to complete my diagram, maybe that would make it clearer, at least to see how the mechanic are, still the Feel is what the golfer should be using to make the golf stroke which is what Homer was stating.

Well....

Tongzilla has been able to articulate eloquently what I have not been able to...his post here says exactly what I was trying to say!!! Thanks Tong!!!

Let's leave this sit and incubate for a little time...and then come back to it...my brain is fried!!!

Ahhh...that feels better.
 

No probs philly! The philly-tongzy double team :lol:. These moments are one of the reasons I post.