This thread is gettin good...Hit pause on the TiVo while I get the popcorn going and we'll sit back and soak it in!!!

No contusions or abrasions so far
 

I feel like I walked through a rainstorm without getting wet.:)

Here's where it gets interesting(for me anyway). By hands solely moved by the pivot, I meant specifically from release to finish. Does everyone agree that "hands moving hands" downplane should not happen from release point to finish in a Swinging procedure? In Ben's words you'd be "adding".

Agreed. In fact "hands moving hands" shouldn't happen from The Top, not just from Release Point. And even for Hitting, the Hands don't move the Hands, it's the Right Triceps.

The Hands are always aiming.

But wait...
 

What about shifting to a shallower plane - say from TSP to elbow plane - is it OK to push the hands downward before spinning the flywheel?

Elbow plane is almost always subconsiously employed. So if you were using Elbow Plane, you're not thinking about getting your hands there.

If you're using the Turned Shoulder Plane, I see no reason why you want to shift onto the Elbow Plane -- either doing it with the hands or elbow or whatever.

Bottom line: if you're already using the Elbow Plane, then fine. But if you're not (lets say you're using TSP), then there is no point in consiously trying to do anything to get onto the Elbow Plane. Which renders your question irrelevant! :eek:

What options?
 

Let me back up here and start over. Under what conditions would it be valid to add arm/hand effort to flywheel power in a Swinging stroke? Aren't all strokes pivot strokes for a Swinger?:???: