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airair 11-01-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf (Post 77927)
Re-write a book?

I'm a visual and left-to-right kind of learner and I would love to see any pictures of a player, IN ACTION, demonstrating some of the TGM lingo. Mrs. K is a great first step showing the pictures but it may be time to take it to the next 'more accurate' stage.

Daryl, love your math on a new book, but unfortunately you may be showing your age ;)
This is the age of the internet and Lynn obviously has some skills in this game. Maybe this could be Lynn's premium section right here on his website. Hint hint...

I think the real Mrs. K was jealous enough of her without calling this other woman for Mrs. Kelley !

KevCarter 11-01-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 77929)
I think the real Mrs. K was jealous enough of her without calling this other woman for Mrs. Kelley !

LOL :laughing9

Daryl 11-01-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf (Post 77927)
Re-write a book?

I'm a visual and left-to-right kind of learner and I would love to see any pictures of a player, IN ACTION, demonstrating some of the TGM lingo. Mrs. K is a great first step showing the pictures but it may be time to take it to the next 'more accurate' stage.

Daryl, love your math on a new book, but unfortunately you may be showing your age ;)
This is the age of the internet and Lynn obviously has some skills in this game. Maybe this could be Lynn's premium section right here on his website. Hint hint...


:laughing9

Age / Perspective
1-30......Idealist
30-50.....Pragmatist
50-54.....Realist
54+.......Realist + 25%

brianmontgomery2000 11-01-2010 07:14 PM

I was reading another thread and found this quote from someone...any guesses as to whom?

"Yes. And, Extensor Action should be part of Chapter Six; "Power Package".

The whole darn book should be re-written without changing a single concept or procedure. Color Pictures, Colored Overlays of the Flying Wedges, etc. 600 Pages. 25 bucks. Big deal.

A million Copies will be sold. It would become the standard text book for high school and college. Expanded and including video."

O.B.Left 11-01-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slicer mcgolf (Post 77927)
Re-write a book?

I'm a visual and left-to-right kind of learner and I would love to see any pictures of a player, IN ACTION, demonstrating some of the TGM lingo.



Hey Slicer how are ya.

Here's a taste for you. See post 9. The photos are long gone but I bet you can imagine what Elk is up to.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...teve+elkington

Im with you, Id LOVE to see some more of this sort of thing. Various patterns, etc. Maybe this should be a section in the Forum? That'd be cool. How 'bout a "Who am I ?" game with a daily addition of one component until someone identifies the player.

Quitesure 11-01-2010 09:11 PM

iPad!
 
I would love to see an edition made for epublishing, the iPad, the Kindle, etc. This way I could bookmark, highlight, make notes and could study, study, study while I look, look, look (what does that really mean?)

With an iPad edition, there could be embedded videos, audios, diagrams, color photos, hypertext links, etc etc. It's so very user friendly. Lately I'm just saying goodbye to all my older forms of media.

Yoda 11-01-2010 10:26 PM

Subject Matters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 77925)
A lot of the video we see is Lynn teaching TGM, not teaching the golf swing. Two separate ideals...

An accurate observation.

Thanks, Kevin!

DennyAlberts 11-02-2010 03:03 AM

Homer's work should stay untouched.
Would you add or subtract from a great work of art?

david sandridge 11-02-2010 08:45 AM

tie it all together
 
How great would it be to have the yellow book, lynns DVD' videos etc all in one location. That way we could use our kindles ipads etc to look up parts of the yellow book that relate to lynn's teaching materials and watch associated video. Leave the yellow book alone. Where is that new DVD will it be out be Christmas.
An electronic ebook will all of us to post like Daryl. So if I wanted to learn to hit a lob shot I could look it up and be referenced to vertical hinging in the book , to lynn's information on dvd and videos of it execution.

brianmontgomery2000 11-02-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DennyAlberts (Post 77969)
Homer's work should stay untouched.
Would you add or subtract from a great work of art?

I think that its true value is in its use, not as a thing, so the work of art analogy doesn't work for me. (You can always buy an original edition or one of the subsequent additions to put on a bookshelf as a work of art.)

To me, this is a text book -- the more dogeared, worn, highlighted and noted the better in terms of absorbing the information. Just like a text book, we need new editions that change to match the latest findings and in the case of a lot of the discussion here, match the new media and ways of disseminating the knowledge inherent in a text book.

TGM is a system or methodology that helps me understand how to better strike a golf ball for me as an individual. That is its greatest advantage -- I can customize it to me and to a situation -- and perhaps its greatest curse -- there is a lot to understand and think about as opposed to other ways that advocate a single swing or pattern for hitting the golf ball.

The more ways we make this data available to individuals to understand in the way best for them, the more people that can take the information and turn it into knowledge that they themselves can apply on the golf course in each individual situation.

KevCarter 11-02-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DennyAlberts (Post 77969)
Homer's work should stay untouched.
Would you add or subtract from a great work of art?

I agree. New books can, will be, and are being written. Homer Kelley's work can stand on it's own with the help of people who really understand it like YODA.

A few changes were made to the 7th edition after Mr. Kelley's passing, and I believe the changes caused much of the division present in the TGM world now. Just think what would happen with a total re-write, TGM advocates would be jumping ship in a hurry...

Let Homer Kelley's work be... add to it in separate works...

Kevin

Daryl 11-02-2010 11:55 AM

Homer Kelley chose to frame his ideas with precision and avoid explanation. TGM Concepts are very simple and very basic and very logical. I'm not surprised at the learning curve problem this caused. I am surprised, that given the rudimentary nature of the Pivot and Arm Motions/geometry of TGM that others haven't stumbled upon them a thousand times since. That confounds me much more than the learning curve problem.

monkutare 11-02-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77987)
Homer Kelley chose to frame his ideas with precision and avoid explanation. TGM Concepts are very simple and very basic and very logical. I'm not surprised at the learning curve problem this caused. I am surprised, that given the rudimentary nature of the Pivot and Arm Motions/geometry of TGM that others haven't stumbled upon them a thousand times since. That confounds me much more than the learning curve problem.

"Homer Kelley chose to frame his ideas with precision and avoid explanation"

I agree. He did avoid explanation.That's why I don't get it.

Rick Murphy 11-02-2010 03:18 PM

The 8th Edition....interesting
 
Great question...interesting...the work of Homer Kelly is a really incredible piece of work that took in reality a lifetime...if not...at the very least....it was a lifelong journey once it started. It is well documented that he himself continued to update and improve on his work...and from what I gather from people that actually spent time with him...they have confirmed that. He put the geometry and physics of the swing in a format that is quite astounding during his time....every time I look back into the book...I see something new and in a different light. The mystery continues to fade away as I read and understand more. I enjoy using the book as a source of information along with other books written before TGM and shortly after. It is a book that has definitely assisted every accomplished teacher walking on this planet with his or her core knowledge of the golf swing. Either directly or indirectly. Armed with this core information and the desire to learn, teach or play...you will be better equiped for the journey....but remember....this does not guarantee that you will ever become a good player or student or teacher. Communication is the key and how you communicate the core knowledge to yourself (implement) or as a teacher to your student is the the "Secret" if there is one.

To guess what changes should be made for an 8th Edition would purely be a guess and really has no bearing on anything with respect to the information that Homer Kelly has given us. If he were alive today it would be interesting to see what progress he could have made...we..unfortunately don't have that luxury. Great conversation though.

I think that "YODA" could be the best connection to the past... walking today...that could best sift through how Homer Kelly would have developed the later editions 8th....9th....10th.....and on.

I would highly recommend a visit with Lynn to anyone that wants to get "the rest of the story".

It's a lifelong journey!

Sorry I got off course a bit......:happy3:

Rick Murphy, PGA Professional

Yoda 11-02-2010 11:07 PM

Book Signings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Murphy (Post 77993)

I think that "YODA" could be the best connection to the past... walking today...that could best sift through how Homer Kelly would have developed the later editions 8th....9th....10th.....and on.

I would highly recommend a visit with Lynn to anyone that wants to get "the rest of the story".

It's a lifelong journey!

Thanks, Rick.

My personal journey in TGM began in 1979 with the 4th.

One year later, over the phone, Homer Kelley himself assisted me in its understanding.

Then, came the 5th. Along with his personal apologies for the inept printing effort of the 4th that caused the spine to come unhinged. In which effort he had laboriously applied himself -- one by one -- corrective strips (back and front) to the hundreds of books unshipped. Today, I guess, the mantra is 'just sue'em' and hope to get your money back. Not so with Homer. Faced with a difficult business decision, he elected to "take what ya got and make it work!".

Later, in January 1982, I was with him for a week. There, he passed out with pride our brand new "6ths". A few months later, to quiet my persistent begging, he sent me a copy of the first edition, along with an invoice for $7.50. Many years later, I acquired the second and third editions.

Yesterday at Cuscowilla, I trained a 24-year old PGA professional in these same principles and procedures. He had in hand the posthumously published 7th edition. I signed that book -- that edition . . . but in my own mind, I signed more. In fact, I signed seven.

More important, that young professional left with a more authoritative Short Stroke.

Also, a more structured and precise Long Stroke.

Finally, a more complete concept for his students.

Indeed, he left with nothing less than a new approach to the Game.

:salut:

O.B.Left 11-02-2010 11:58 PM

Man, what a great post.

Amen Corner 11-03-2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 78015)
Later, in January 1982, . . .

With him for a week.

:salut:

I have asked you this before, (and I suppose that your certified instruction program is the answer but..) when are you putting up a school like the one you did go through?

Sitting down and turning page by page...

Yoda 11-03-2010 07:08 AM

School Daze
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amen Corner (Post 78022)

I have asked you this before, (and I suppose that your certified instruction program is the answer but..) when are you putting up a school like the one you did go through?

Sitting down and turning page by page...

We're planning the next Lynn Blake Certified Instructor class now. The date has not yet been established but will probably be sometime in January 2011 in Greensboro, NC. There then will be a number of schools at the Associate, Instructor, and Senior Instructor levels throughout the year. That schedule will be published on this site.


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Yoda 12-15-2010 09:57 PM

Answer Key
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77987)

Homer Kelley chose to frame his ideas with precision and avoid explanation.

[Bold by Yoda.]

You know, Daryl, I hadn't thought about this, but it's true.

In his interest for brevity, Homer Kelley gave us only the 'answers' -- the distillation of his search for truth -- and left it to those of us interested to deduce the path by which those answers came.

No bibliography.

No references.

No 'selling points' vis-a-vis popular Tour Players.

For the 'worker bees' . . .

Follow the Yellow Brick Road.

:golfcart2:

chipingguru 12-15-2010 10:09 PM

His style of writing is that of a truly enlightened being.

Enticing, gets the hooks in, makes you work like hell to figure it out..............then it becomes yours.

ingenious.


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