There is a paper out there by Sasho Mackenzie that discusses the torques on the swing and one of his papers talks about if the clubhead drops below the plane at start down it becomes easier to square the club face. I don't have the link handy but I am sure 12 piece has read it. When I see Sergio's move it seems very much in line with the physics Sasho has demonstrated in the paper.
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There is a paper out there by Sasho Mackenzie that discusses the torques on the swing and one of his papers talks about if the clubhead drops below the plane at start down it becomes easier to square the club face. I don't have the link handy but I am sure 12 piece has read it. When I see Sergio's move it seems very much in line with the physics Sasho has demonstrated in the paper.
Oh sure Doc! I know there is WHOLE LOT MORE going on than just this forearm deal . . . It's a WHOLE BODY move . . .
AND I think there's probably a whole lot more that goes into being on plane than just "laser pointing" . . . I think there are some dynamics involved with the forces and speed involved in the golf swing . . .
Just wanted to say thanks for the fine observations and insights in this thread. Tonight in the simulator, I learned a ton while increasing my driving average from 175 to 205. Displacing the bottom and top hands in my best Freddy Couples imitation allowed me to Hit lots of slight pushes and fades.
I did something right, toward the end of the night and uncorked a 225 yard drive while Hitting. I think that was a drive I totally trusted and strove into. I realized that I had been turning my left wrist 1/2 way between a full Startup-Swivel and a FLW. As soon as I kept my FLW with a RFT and Angle Hinge, the ball started to leap but I must've been running out of right arm since I was hooking the ball.
MY alignments are all messed up. My wrists are also sore. I could feel a lot more power available through the Displacements but I realized I just did not have the skill to let the power flow through the stroke.
More study is the answer.
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I think Daryl is referring to the flip release, not flipping of the hands.
I tend to agree.
So what's the difference between flipping the hands and a flip release? I've always associated the two.
Anyway, I took a look at a few other slo mo videos of Sergeo. I can now understand why you regard it as a flip release. There's a sense of an independant club motion in there. A rotation component that isn't fully backed up by the arms swing. Sign of a chicken wing through impact, almost if he is tempoary shortening his left arm to take up the slack from a flip. I didn't expext to see that. I didn't see it on the first video I examined either.
It looks flippy face on (6 o'clock). And also from slightly behind ( 7.30). But from 4.30 it doesn't look like a flip.
So what's the difference between flipping the hands and a flip release? I've always associated the two.
Anyway, I took a look at a few other slo mo videos of Sergeo. I can now understand why you regard it as a flip release. There's a sense of an independant club motion in there. A rotation component that isn't fully backed up by the arms swing. Sign of a chicken wing through impact, almost if he is tempoary shortening his left arm to take up the slack from a flip. I didn't expext to see that. I didn't see it on the first video I examined either.
It looks flippy face on (6 o'clock). And also from slightly behind ( 7.30). But from 4.30 it doesn't look like a flip.
Too me serge releases right wrist bend late like couples. They do it in a way that causes the face to layback and not roll. You can find pics of hogan like that too.
THE BACKSTROKE PIVOT/TRANSITION IS LIKE A HOCKEY STOP!!!
ALSO HERE IS YOU SOME PUSH PULL TORQUE AROUND THE CORNER . . WITH A LITTLE SLAPSHOT LAG . . .
HERE'S YOU SOME 2-J-3 ARC OF APPROACH DELIVERY PATH HANDLE AROUND THE CORNER STICKHEAD THROW OUT. . .
Hockey , theres another sport that relates to golf but unlike baseball its "club" has a hooked face making its motion a "hinge action of a circular/angular motion on an inclined plane" as well. What does that mean?...........Check out the horizontal hinging on those guys. But they can display Vertical too when trying to roof a shot, "top cheese". Or a knock down when they de loft add shaft lean and snap a little Angled Hinge for a long hard cross ice pass that requires accuracy.
Hinge Action is not unique to golf, its not something Homer invented .....he wasnt even the first to identify it I dont think. He just cracked its underlying geometry and defined it. No small feat.
My apologies for the digression. I guess baseball is a "angular motion on an inclined plane"....no hinge action, no #3 roll at all, just what we'd call #2 accumulator but with all the linear , radial , pulley wheel stuff going on. Interestingly in hockey you try to hit the ice before the puck and bend the heck out of the shaft then flick the wrists.
So what's the difference between flipping the hands and a flip release? I've always associated the two.
Anyway, I took a look at a few other slo mo videos of Sergeo. I can now understand why you regard it as a flip release. There's a sense of an independant club motion in there. A rotation component that isn't fully backed up by the arms swing. Sign of a chicken wing through impact, almost if he is tempoary shortening his left arm to take up the slack from a flip. I didn't expext to see that. I didn't see it on the first video I examined either.
It looks flippy face on (6 o'clock). And also from slightly behind ( 7.30). But from 4.30 it doesn't look like a flip.
I think that you make a very good point. The Flip may create some slack and the Left Arm manipulation that you're observing may be an affect while trying to "Time" Impact.
I may have spoken prematurely about Sergio, but whenever I see an out of Line Primary Lever at Start Down, I immediately think and look for a Flip Release.
Anytime the Shaft and Clubhead are Radially out of line with the Left Arm and Left Wrist, a slight pull with the Left Arm will cause the Clubhead to get in-line. Thus, when we, at Start-Down, try to leave the Hands at the Top, we are Aligning the Left Arm and Clubshaft while taking out the Slack.
Sergio allows the Clubhead to Drop Slightly below the Hands at Startdown and then, when ready, he pulls the Hands strongly downward. Typically, the force is strong enough so that rather than the Clubhead simply "getting in-line", it creates CF and causes the Club to Release. "Flip Release"
The Clubhead races to the outside. This is "Timed" to get aligned by/at Impact.
I guess baseball is a "angular motion on an inclined plane"....no hinge action, no #3 roll at all, just what we'd call #2 accumulator but with all the linear , radial , pulley wheel stuff going on. Interestingly in hockey you try to hit the ice before the puck and bend the heck out of the shaft then flick the wrists.
Hockey is my favorite sport to watch.
Excuse me??? No #3 Accumulator Roll? Batters have the most powerful #3 Accumulator Roll of all. The Right Forearm Rotates about an Axis perpendicular to the Horizontal Plane as does the #3 PP. If you attach a Paddle to the Side of their Right Forearm, notice that the Paddle would remain perpendicular to the Horizontal Plane throughout the Release and Impact Interval. And they have an Awesome finish Swivel as well. Look at the video clip Bucket Posted of the Batter with the number 9 on his jersey.
Perfect Horizontal Hinge and Finish Swivel.
Let me show you what I mean... Get a Club and get into Impact exactly as the Photo below. Left Palm Down and Right Palm up with arms and Club just below your shoulders, torso turned and arms way out in front. Lower the Power Package to the Inclined Plane by Moving your Right Elbow downward and backward toward your Right Hip. Notice that the Back of your Left Wrist and Right Forearm and #3 PP point Down the Angle of Approach.
Reverse the procedure and move your Power Package from your Golf Impact Fix to a Baseball Batters Impact by moving your Right Elbow up along the Alignment of your Right Forearm. How good does that look if you were a Baseball Batter? Hmm?
Rock your Power Package Back and forth between the Batter and Golfer and make adjustments until both Impacts have the same Power Package Alignments and the Only difference between the Two Alignments is the "Right Elbow Location".
I see what you mean .......I do see something that looks like our Finish Swivel there. Love the swing on that old timer. Is that Ted Williams.....?
Im thinking there's still overtaking and rolling after impact but Rose and others seem to execute impact without any prior roll off the plane, Release Swivel in our terms. Their left hand is still palm down to their plane at impact. Like they were hitting the ball with the bottom of the golf shaft , (fore , aft, top , bottom). He's knuckles up, watch face pointing at the sky , if that was a golf club in his hands the face would pointing up at the sky too .........wouldnt it?
Take the 1-L Machine and cut the clubhead off the Lever. No hooked clubface , no Hinge Action, no angled plane often. Oh yeah thatd make it "an angular motion on a plane" , no hinge action , no angled plane......I think.
I see what you mean .......I do see something that looks like our Finish Swivel there. Love the swing on that old timer. Is that Ted Williams.....?
Im thinking there's still overtaking and rolling after impact but Rose and others seem to execute impact without any prior roll off the plane, Release Swivel in our terms. Their left hand is still palm down to their plane at impact. Like they were hitting the ball with the bottom of the golf shaft , (fore , aft, top , bottom). He's knuckles up, watch face pointing at the sky , if that was a golf club in his hands the face would pointing up at the sky too .........wouldnt it?
Take the 1-L Machine and cut the clubhead off the Lever. No hooked clubface , no Hinge Action, no angled plane often. Oh yeah thatd make it "an angular motion on a plane" , no hinge action , no angled plane......I think.
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