I'm struggling to come up with swing thoughts to aid my hitting progress.
I have struggled with a fast start down, over the top move, and keeping my right shoulder moving down plane.
My current swing thought is to forget about the hips, forget about everything but the right arm to the right shoulder.
My start down is an attempt to get my right shoulder as close to my right foot as possible before I drive the right arm.
This keeps me from starting to drive too early and also gets my right shoulder in the proper position.
What do you guys think about that idea for a swing thought? What swing thoughts do you guys use?
Hi Grant,
Swing thoughts don't compensate for swing problems. Swing thoughts should be positive thoughts.
I don't want to be the one to tell you this; but, you're on the Elbow Plane; therefore, your Right Shoulder cannot "Directly" support your Right Arm Thrust while Hitting because your Right Shoulder is on a different Plane of Motion than your Hands.
Think of a Boxer throwing a Right Punch. He'll hit hardest when the Shoulder is behind the Hand. He can punch on a different Plane and often does, but it's not as powerful.
I am looking/searching for some examples of either a swinger or hitter that at impact is on the TSP and has the rffw on plane and has some #3 accumulator left. Anyone have some examples? Pictures? Diagrams?
I am looking/searching for some examples of either a swinger or hitter that at impact is on the TSP and has the rffw on plane and has some #3 accumulator left. Anyone have some examples? Pictures? Diagrams?
The Bear
First: It's in the Book and the Book is Based on the TSP. Hardly any mention of mechanics is given to the Elbow Plane.
Young guy, and older guy. The TSP is not age specific.
Diagram. The Elbow Plane and the TSP can be diagrammed.
The Ice Man. The Longest Ball Striker in the World. Most Long Drive Hitters use the TSP.
Another Person.
Another Diagram.
The Ice Man up Close. Notice that the Right Forearm is On Plane. It is 90 degrees to the Plane of the Left Arm Wedge. As it should be.
Look at the picture below and NOTICE that the heel of the Putter is raised above ground and the Shaft is more vertical than what you normally see. She is preparing to putt on the TSP as soon as she can see the Ball. The TSP is NOT Gender Biased.
Swing thoughts don't compensate for swing problems. Swing thoughts should be positive thoughts.
I don't want to be the one to tell you this; but, you're on the Elbow Plane; therefore, your Right Shoulder cannot "Directly" support your Right Arm Thrust while Hitting because your Right Shoulder is on a different Plane of Motion than your Hands.
Think of a Boxer throwing a Right Punch. He'll hit hardest when the Shoulder is behind the Hand. He can punch on a different Plane and often does, but it's not as powerful.
You need to adjust your Pivot.
Understand that for someone who has struggled with an over the top move and someone who has developed the bad habit of the shoulders moving around rather than down plane, they might need an exaggerated feel.
I do not doubt you for one second that a normal person would not want to feel like the shoulder is dropping to their knee/feet.
But for someone who hasn't ingrained the right shoulder down plane move and who's right shoulder is 100% of the time OVER the TSP, that might be just the feel they need.
But for someone who hasn't ingrained the right shoulder down plane move and who's right shoulder is 100% of the time OVER the TSP, that might be just the feel they need.
Or do you disagree?
I disagree because there is no need to ingrain or force that feeling, motion, geometry or action. Believe me when I say that it is the automatic outcome of the properly aligned and executed pivot.
If your Right Shoulder and Hips are aligned properly, then your Right Shoulder will move Downplane, directly "Toward the BALL" like a bullet.
I know because I've experimented with different pivots thousands of times and I keep finding new ways to pivot. I experiment with different component variations daily .
As I see it, you appear to always rotate your shoulders to the right in an "around" fashion with your Left Shoulder moving around to the Right.
Do this experiment:
Set-up without a club. Move your right foot back 3-6" (more if you need) and center yourself for balance. Keep your head stationary and your Spine "On the Ball" and think of moving your arms like a "Windmill". Move your arms separately or together or both. Let your arms guide your shoulders and let your shoulders guide your hips and let your Hips "Bend" your knees. That is a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn. The one that you're doing is disruptively too Flat.
Notice now, that your Left Shoulder moved down and not around. The Left Shoulder has moved only a few inches. Also, you probably can't make more than a 3/4 backstroke (Flexibility).
Now, with this Hip and shoulder alignment, your right shoulder will move On Plane directly toward the Ball. Go as fast as you want during the downstroke.
Notice how freely that your right side opens up during the backstroke and how easy (no strain) it is to perform with the right hip out of the way and your hands taking a direct path to the top of the stroke.
Try it. If it works for you, and you like it, I'll tell you how to do it without moving your right foot backwards.
I disagree because there is no need to ingrain or force that feeling, motion, geometry or action. Believe me when I say that it is the automatic outcome of the properly aligned and executed pivot.
If your Right Shoulder and Hips are aligned properly, then your Right Shoulder will move Downplane, directly "Toward the BALL" like a bullet.
I know because I've experimented with different pivots thousands of times and I keep finding new ways to pivot. I experiment with different component variations daily .
As I see it, you appear to always rotate your shoulders to the right in an "around" fashion with your Left Shoulder moving around to the Right.
Do this experiment:
Set-up without a club. Move your right foot back 3-6" (more if you need) and center yourself for balance. Keep your head stationary and your Spine "On the Ball" and think of moving your arms like a "Windmill". Move your arms separately or together or both. Let your arms guide your shoulders and let your shoulders guide your hips and let your Hips "Bend" your knees. That is a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn. The one that you're doing is disruptively too Flat.
Notice now, that your Left Shoulder moved down and not around. The Left Shoulder has moved only a few inches. Also, you probably can't make more than a 3/4 backstroke (Flexibility).
Now, with this Hip and shoulder alignment, your right shoulder will move On Plane directly toward the Ball. Go as fast as you want during the downstroke.
Notice how freely that your right side opens up during the backstroke and how easy (no strain) it is to perform with the right hip out of the way and your hands taking a direct path to the top of the stroke.
Try it. If it works for you, and you like it, I'll tell you how to do it without moving your right foot backwards.
I really do appreciate what you are telling me, but this is near impossible to follow.
If I am understanding you correctly what you are saying is:
1: My back swing is too flat. I am on the elbow plane going back and my over the top move is an attempt to get up to the TSP.
2: I need to focus on getting my shoulders to move vertically in both directions.
3: I'm too flat with the shoulders going back.
4: I'm over the top because I'm attempting to not be too flat going forwards.
Where you are completely losing me is here:
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Keep your head stationary and your Spine "On the Ball" and think of moving your arms like a "Windmill". Move your arms separately or together or both. Let your arms guide your shoulders and let your shoulders guide your hips and let your Hips "Bend" your knees. That is a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn. The one that you're doing is disruptively too Flat.
You had me focused until the last picture. I'm not sure what the paragraph said there, but I agree with all of the diagrams above, so I'll just assume everything else was correct.
Personally, I think the OP is a swinger that needs some fix'in for a quick start down and out instead of down plane right shoulder.
It's tough to convert a swinger to a hitter. Been there done that.
It's a commitment and takes a lot of time to convert. It is nice to hit when needed though.
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Bagger
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You had me focused until the last picture. I'm not sure what the paragraph said there, but I agree with all of the diagrams above, so I'll just assume everything else was correct.
Personally, I think the OP is a swinger that needs some fix'in for a quick start down and out instead of down plane right shoulder.
It's tough to convert a swinger to a hitter. Been there done that.
It's a commitment and takes a lot of time to convert. It is nice to hit when needed though.
I started out as a swinger but I am not built for it.
I'm 6'5 285 and very muscular and not exactly the most flexible person in the world. I failed all but one portion of the TPI Flexibility test.
I have gotten a lot more flexible but I don't think swinging is in the cards for me.
I have all the time in the world (job not doing shit right now) so I can literally practice for 8 hours per day if necessary.
I just need to start getting these things squared away.
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