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Old 07-01-2010, 10:11 AM
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Hi Bernt! Thanks for your insights, also, and they are always welcome imho.
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Patrick,

When I Swing a lot of balls, the only thing that gets anywhere near sore is my Left Hand. And the only thing that really gets work-out-tired is my Left forearm. Not because I am very active with the Left Hand, but because it carries the major part of the load.

When you say that both your arms get sore and tired I take it that your pivot still has room for improvement. At least if you aim for swinging.
My right arm was sore yesterday, after about 250 balls from "lifting up my left arm with my right." I pretended my left arm was a rope and stretched it like a yellow band right to my ear and kept stretching as I went down as I saw on Alignment I. By the time I got to my driver, I was beat.

Teaching summer school with my group is rather fatiguing.

Which brings me to my next question for this great group of people at LBG: My driver feels so less effective than my other clubs and yet it is so crucial. Even with the courses getting hard with more roll, what are some of the techniques you folks use to maximize your drives?

I will start to vary my practices, now, and not hit quite so many chips with various clubs to get to the driver earlier in a practice. When I travel North to Minnesota, I want to take all the sheckles I can from Kevin and Jerry and then buy them dinner, as if I were a famous, accomplished golfing phenom, which is my current fantasy.

Since I cannot pay an ex wife $750,000,000 , I need to scale my fantasies wayyyyy back!

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Old 07-01-2010, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyNight View Post

Using the idea of the last three fingers in the left hand coming down into the ball, I've had the longest and highest iron shots using this method than any other I've ever tried, and the motion is almost effortless.

This sounds like Drag Loading to me. 10-19-C. Which I sense in the last three fingers of my left hand. The Pivot (not the left arm for full shots) pulling or dragging the Left Hand which is turned to the Inclined Plane down the same.

Johnny research "Startdown Waggles" by hitting the search function or check out the premium Address Video on this site. Its is the drill of drills for Drag Loading in Startdown.

You will can learn to alter your trajectory by changing your Release Point. The point at which your Left Hand Rolls off the Inclined Plane. Yup it isnt just the uncocking of the left wrist cock that distinguishes the commencement of the Release.

Check out the Release Triggers, the "Left Wrist Throw" , Automatic vs Non .... 12-2-0 Swingers pattern etc etc. See Hogans demonstration after the Shells Wonderful World of Golf Match where he describes the startdown as a "movement of the lower body".

Slide? Hell ya, with a Delayed Turn of the Hips just like Hogan. It'll "Tilt the Axis" to lower the Right Shoulder. You'll see how "saving" lots of bent right elbow for the ball (late release) is only possible if the Right Shoulder takes the bent right elbow way down plane in Startdown. Homer said we'd all feel like we were hitting the ball with our Right Shoulders. Watch Hogans shoulder, watch his slide or bump. Imagine the sensation of the dragging he must be applying to those last three fingers.

Is that what you are referring to pattern wise?

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Old 07-01-2010, 01:53 PM
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OB, after the slide, do I" fire" the right shoulder down plane?
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This sounds like Drag Loading to me. 10-19-C. Which I sense in the last three fingers of my left hand. The Pivot (not the left arm for full shots) pulling or dragging the Left Hand which is turned to the Inclined Plane down the same.

Johnny research "Startdown Waggles" by hitting the search function or check out the premium Address Video on this site. Its is the drill of drills for Drag Loading in Startdown.

You will can learn to alter your trajectory by changing your Release Point. The point at which your Left Hand Rolls off the Inclined Plane. Yup it isnt just the uncocking of the left wrist cock that distinguishes the commencement of the Release.

Check out the Release Triggers, the "Left Hand Throw" , Automatic vs Non .... 12-2-0 Swingers pattern etc etc. See Hogans demonstration after the Shells Wonderful World of Golf Match where he describes the startdown as a "movement of the lower body".

Slide? Hell ya, with a Delayed Turn of the Hips just like Hogan. It'll "Tilt the Axis" to lower the Right Shoulder. You'll see how "saving" lots of bent right elbow for the ball (late release) is only possible if the Right Shoulder takes the bent right elbow way down plane in Startdown. Homer said we'd all feel like we were hitting the ball with our Right Shoulders. Watch Hogans shoulder, watch his slide or bump. Imagine the sensation of the dragging he must be applying to those last three fingers.

Is that what you are referring to pattern wise?
I will research the thread OB, but are you saying we "fire" or consciously move it downplane or is it dragged by the slide until it just follows by itself?

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Old 07-01-2010, 07:58 PM
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I will research the thread OB, but are you saying we "fire" or consciously move it downplane or is it dragged by the slide until it just follows by itself?

Patrick
You have options, millions of them but take a look at 10-20-C SHOULDER TURN THROW. Remember you can use Release Triggers in combination. Shoulder turn throw then a Right ARm Throw for a Hitter say or (left) Wrist Throw for a Swinger.

I think that the only way the bent Right Elbow can make its way down plane in Startdown (which is a prerequisite of delayed release ) is for the Right Shoulder to take it there. If your Pivot takes the right shoulder down plane without you thinking about it great........if it doesnt you better make an effort to ensure it happens. Make an Active Shoulder Turn Throw in other words.

Once the Right Elbow extends you're into Release. The left palm comes off the Inclined Plane, the clubhead moves outside the Hands and C.F. takes over accelerating the Throw Out Action. Of course the Left Wrist Throw can accelerate this Throw Out some too. Most people just think about Release in terms of #2 Angle....... its part of the picture but not the whole picture. There a bunch of levers there all interacting with each other, especially if you employ Extensor Action which really ties them all together. A very good thing that can put the Right Elbow in charge of multiple actions.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:49 PM
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Are release triggers in combination introducing multiple compensations?
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QUOTE=O.B.Left;74072]You have options, millions of them but take a look at 10-20-C SHOULDER TURN THROW. Remember you can use Release Triggers in combination. Shoulder turn throw then a Right ARm Throw for a Hitter say or (left) Wrist Throw for a Swinger.
Ok, OB. I'm feeling the Extensor Action (left tricep right bicep) and I am loving the RFT (Kevin/Jerry ). It is sooooo easy with EA. Can I use it on my putts? You might say that I'm feeling the love!!

(Was that too feminine? After all, I grew-up in Chicago, not a suburb. DARYL lives in a suburb and OB, are you still teaching your wife to golf? Pretty soon we will have females writing on this forum, but I digress...)

Ooops I can use EA on my putts! (OK, no thread-jacking!)


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I think that the only way the bent Right Elbow can make its way down plane in Startdown (which is a prerequisite of delayed release ) is for the Right Shoulder to take it there. If your Pivot takes the right shoulder down plane without you thinking about it great........if it doesnt you better make an effort to ensure it happens. Make an Active Shoulder Turn Throw in other words.
I did this today and it helped my drive and other shots really fly!

WATCH CLUB FACE PAST STATIONARY HEAD
SOLID TRIPOD-ANGLE HINGE-EA-RFT
BRACE- DRAG SHOULDER STRAIGHT DOWN PAST STATIONARY HEAD
WATCH CLUB FACE PAST STATIONARY HEAD


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Once the Right Elbow extends you're into Release. The left palm comes off the Inclined Plane, the clubhead moves outside the Hands and C.F. takes over accelerating the Throw Out Action.
There is more right arm! EA stops wobble. No need to thrust with such a solid structure. Just keep head still and the ball will go where it is aimed! Driver can be hit on the upswing in front of front foot with smooth acceleration letting the right shoulder roll down keeping EA and right arm solid! Ball carries 10-20 yards further rolling into the woods on the range well past 250 marker.

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Of course the Left Wrist Throw can accelerate this Throw Out some too. Most people just think about Release in terms of #2 Angle....... its part of the picture but not the whole picture. There a bunch of levers there all interacting with each other, especially if you employ Extensor Action which really ties them all together. A very good thing that can put the Right Elbow in charge of multiple actions.

The left wrist throw works better for me if I imagine my front shoulder going straight up using shorter irons and wedges.
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