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Old 11-24-2008, 03:14 PM
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Three barrel versus four barrel hitting
I initially thought that a four barrel hitting stroke occurred according to the following sequence 4:1:2:3, and that a four barrel hitting action occurred when a right shoulder thrust downplane released PA#4 slightly before PA#1 became actively operational, while a triple barrel hitting action was only 1:2/3 without any preceding PA#4 release via a right shoulder thrust action.

However, I recently read this archived Yoda post.

"The Swinger's active Right Shoulder accelerates the Left Arm, and Centrifugal Force and its Throw-Out Action then powers the Clubhead. The Right Arm remains passive -- except for its Right Triceps Extensor Action and the #3 Pressure Point sensing and directing the Clubhead Lag -- and thus the Stroke remains Three-Barrel. In contrast, the Hitter's active Right Shoulder serves as the 'launching pad' for the Right Arm and its Muscular Drive-out Action that powers the Clubhead. Since the Right Arm then drives the entire Primary Lever Assembly (including the Left Arm), the Full-Power Hitting Stroke can properly be classified as Four-Barrel."

That Yoda post suggests that the full power hitting stroke can properly be classified as four barrel because the right arm drives the entire primary lever assembly, which includes the left arm. OK. Then what represents a triple barrel hitting action - ? where the right arm doesn't drive the left arm?

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Old 11-24-2008, 05:59 PM
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I initially thought that a four barrel hitting stroke occurred according to the following sequence 4:1:2:3, and that a four barrel hitting action occurred when a right shoulder thrust downplane released PA#4 slightly before PA#1 became actively operational, while a triple barrel hitting action was only 1:2/3 without any preceding PA#4 release via a right shoulder thrust action.

However, I recently read this archived Yoda post.

"The Swinger's active Right Shoulder accelerates the Left Arm, and Centrifugal Force and its Throw-Out Action then powers the Clubhead. The Right Arm remains passive -- except for its Right Triceps Extensor Action and the #3 Pressure Point sensing and directing the Clubhead Lag -- and thus the Stroke remains Three-Barrel. In contrast, the Hitter's active Right Shoulder serves as the 'launching pad' for the Right Arm and its Muscular Drive-out Action that powers the Clubhead. Since the Right Arm then drives the entire Primary Lever Assembly (including the Left Arm), the Full-Power Hitting Stroke can properly be classified as Four-Barrel."

That Yoda post suggests that the full power hitting stroke can properly be classified as four barrel because the right arm drives the entire primary lever assembly, which includes the left arm. OK. Then what represents a triple barrel hitting action - ? where the right arm doesn't drive the left arm?

Jeff.
Jeff . .. . In hitting the right arm ALWAYS drives the left arm . . . . even if it's just single barrel. Ted describes 4-Barrell hitting as "it's easier to push a cannon ball that is already rolling than one that is at rest" The pivot takes up the slack in then the right arm drives everything out. If the right arm doesn't drive . . . it' ain't hitting.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:12 PM
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Thanks for replying and indicating that even a single barrel hitting action drives the left arm. Could you please also provide your definitional understanding of the differences between a triple barrel versus four barrel hitting action.

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Old 11-24-2008, 08:19 PM
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Thanks for replying and indicating that even a single barrel hitting action drives the left arm. Could you please also provide your definitional understanding of the differences between a triple barrel versus four barrel hitting action.

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Usually, If the Right Shoulder is doing work (any action) as opposed to not doing any work (just motion).
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:35 AM
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You are apparently implying that if the right shoulder is doing work, that it turns a three barrel hitting action into a four barrel hitting action. However, doesn't that work have to be defined in terms of further PA recruitment/involvement in the hitting action - turning a 1:2:3 pattern into a 4:1:2:3 pattern. Are you saying the right shoulder's active downplane movement releases PA#4 via a pivot-action and that PA#1 then becomes operant?

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Old 11-25-2008, 12:46 AM
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Jeff . .. . In hitting the right arm ALWAYS drives the left arm . . . . even if it's just single barrel. Ted describes 4-Barrell hitting as "it's easier to push a cannon ball that is already rolling than one that is at rest" The pivot takes up the slack in then the right arm drives everything out. If the right arm doesn't drive . . . it' ain't hitting.
So you guys are still using cannon balls down in the South?
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:50 AM
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Are you saying the right shoulder's active downplane movement releases PA#4 via a pivot-action and that PA#1 then becomes operant?

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Jeff,

Cannot translate the last word to my language.

But,

The right shoulder can either be active or passive during startdown.

It will contribute with either action or motion.
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So you guys are still using cannon balls down in the South?
Nawww. But, look down this pipe for a minute. I want to show ya somethin'.
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Nawww. But, look down this pipe for a minute. I want to show ya somethin'.
Now that was funny . . . . but there are many places to go with this one . . . .
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Nawww. But, look down this pipe for a minute. I want to show ya somethin'.
Nice.. Very Nice... Gave me a Chuckle this morning!


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