Thank you, but the move as I interpret it is not evident to me in the sequence you have so generously shared. I would have expected to see the right hip move targetward as the arms start to swing back.
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The move is best viewed from directly behind Hogan. It becomes very evident when you watch a sequence filmed from the back.
That sequence you are looking at is the one Hogan demonstrated for Shells Wonderful World. VJ does not think that Hogan used the move all the time. He believes that he was fully aware of doing it, and only did it in competition. If you watch in the final credits when he is actually hitting a shot during the match it is very clear that he is using it. There are also other videos on the three disc set when Hogan is in competition where he uses it.
The impact circle axis is shown in Figures 11 & 12 on page 37.
yes thank you i can see that.
I just dont understand the explanation of having the axis at 5 feet behind his left foot with driver...
wait a minute, oh, the axis would be perpendicular to the lowpoint and the angled impact circle lines to left shoulder? i think i get it now, 3D not 2D.
I think VJ analysis from the back side makes looking at Hogan's swing and I am sure many others as well quite different than what it looks as if is being done.
I have been a Hogan fan for many of years. I have not master his swing, BUT I did go from 26 hdcp to 5 hdcp in 16 months using that book. But never got better, in fact overtime I managed to lose a lot of what I had learned and executed.
Most apparent was a Sunday afternoon in GA where I was asked, been reading the Hogan book? How close do you think Hogan thought the elbows needed to be? I think Yoda thought I was working on being double jointed so I could get then to touch the entire stroke. Oh, well... those days are gone.
I am will to be in the next coming months Hogan's swing will be reviewed again and again and this time there is going to be a bit of different spin or focus than from before.
I think VJ has given us something to work on and what will be more interesting is that if he is teaching this pattern to students, to start seeing them appear and being analyzed by the so called heavies.
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Absolutely none taken...BH was such a guarded, shrewd, & clever individual it's interesting to sort out his quotes & myth from reality. There are differences as his swing evolved especially post accident & it's a shame Kelly was unable to take advantage of today's swing analysis sotware. VJ took the correct path of using competitive images v "staged", as me thinks Hogan was so dayum good he only revealed what Hogan wanted to reveal. Somethng I find very puzzling is why BH allowed an amateur 8mm film of his swing to be shot at Augusta in '67 while rejecting CBS's request to professionally film it the same week? I've never read BH was at odds with the network, so why would he care unless he felt something might be seen that he wouldn't approve of? Hogan obviously believed his swing was still good enough to win & be put on public display at the Masters. Odd.....
PowerDraw you have the impact circle axis. Rhythm is dead on in my belief about Hogan. The video sequence here with the grids is a "staged" image of Hogan and my research shows that he uses a different pivot sequence during these moments. The pics from Palm Springs are the same.
Hogan's secret is a pivot sequence which ensures low point moving forward. Nicklaus from his instructional video "How I play golf" moves low point forward also. This is also evident in Bobby Jones instructional videos. One of the biggest differences between the above mentioned is the speed at which Hogan's hips turned in the downswing. Through words and in action, Mr. Hogan believed in cranking up the gyroscope! Following Leitz's instructions I pieced together a particular swing in which Hogan rotates his hips a total of 100 degrees in 0.18/sec. It is evident this type of speed is correlated to having the center of mass over an axis of rotation. Great swings start from the ground up and Mr. Kelley eloquently speaks of this in 6-C-0.
Involved in this sequence is also the shallowing of the pane of glass. Mr. Hogan's shallowing of this pane takes place as his weight is shifted to the forward leg during the backswing. Tiger's goes down, just as most, during start down. These motions, coupled with hip slide/hip turn have effect on the relationship between low point/the golf ball and impact vectors.
Every swing is a puzzle. Every shot is a puzzle. Golf instructors, like the ones here on Lynn's corner of cyber space, sometimes just point to the correct piece and sometimes create the piece from scratch. But they do it with passion, sincerity, and honesty for enhancement of an individual's game.
PowerDraw you have the impact circle axis. Rhythm is dead on in my belief about Hogan. The video sequence here with the grids is a "staged" image of Hogan and my research shows that he uses a different pivot sequence during these moments. The pics from Palm Springs are the same.
Hogan's secret is a pivot sequence which ensures low point moving forward. Nicklaus from his instructional video "How I play golf" moves low point forward also. This is also evident in Bobby Jones instructional videos. One of the biggest differences between the above mentioned is the speed at which Hogan's hips turned in the downswing. Through words and in action, Mr. Hogan believed in cranking up the gyroscope! Following Leitz's instructions I pieced together a particular swing in which Hogan rotates his hips a total of 100 degrees in 0.18/sec. It is evident this type of speed is correlated to having the center of mass over an axis of rotation. Great swings start from the ground up and Mr. Kelley eloquently speaks of this in 6-C-0.
Involved in this sequence is also the shallowing of the pane of glass. Mr. Hogan's shallowing of this pane takes place as his weight is shifted to the forward leg during the backswing. Tiger's goes down, just as most, during start down. These motions, coupled with hip slide/hip turn have effect on the relationship between low point/the golf ball and impact vectors.
Every swing is a puzzle. Every shot is a puzzle. Golf instructors, like the ones here on Lynn's corner of cyber space, sometimes just point to the correct piece and sometimes create the piece from scratch. But they do it with passion, sincerity, and honesty for enhancement of an individual's game.
dude, thanks so much for your response, i have been diligently doing your drills and the move seeing my pivot has always been iffy, the feel is quite different, the feel of post-impact too finish seems so much flatter than accustomed but in my current swing the shaft exited over left shoulder so off plane.
For me, it is pivot training. Although your description is mostly just turn the hips, i must admit that adding zone 2, the arms, really seems to add a hella'uv a wallop!
I was wondering if i could ask you about pitching and chipping using such a pivot motion? I would guess setting up the axis as impact at address?
Every swing is a puzzle. Every shot is a puzzle. Golf instructors, like the ones here on Lynn's corner of cyber space, sometimes just point to the correct piece and sometimes create the piece from scratch. But they do it with passion, sincerity, and honesty for enhancement of an individual's game.
Does it get any better than this, folks? I think not.
From his heart, V.J. reveals the Instructor's side of Golf Instruction's two-way street. The other side is the Student's responsibility. And where the Student's desire (and willingness to learn) meets the Instructor's knowledge (and ability to teach) . . .
Please forgive me - for I am a 4 year old in a world of MIT students. Just wanted to throw out that, I entirely enjoy the discussion - whether I agree, or disagree, or am lost, I really enjoy the in depth conversations.....
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