Bucket et al......is the missing link move what actually stops the clubs backward movement? Do you have to be loose, loose,loose with the hands to really feel the rubber band stretch? Is this a fountain of youth move for the round belly set?
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I think I can speak with authority as the president of the round belly club, but not with authority on VJ's book.
VJ and I are planning to play golf very soon, so I'm waiting to see him to get my autographed copy of the book. Since I don't have the book, I'm going on the posts and speculation.
I am Hitting, but I use a 4 Accumulator pattern. So, I have a Swinger's Start Down. You may be able to see in these pictures that I move forward about 5 frames with my Hips, as my Clubhead continues back. I've made a small blue mark on my Left Hip to mark the beginning of forward motion. I have made red marks on the Clubhead, as it continues back. This change of direction places a heavy load on the shaft.
This was one of the highest speeds that I've achieved on tape at 123 mph. I'm not sure if this is exactly what VJ's talking about. But, I see this move in players that can really smash the ball.
This was one of the highest speeds that I've achieved on tape at 123 mph.
I happened to be on hand and witnessed these efforts, both with the dowel and the golf club. I hereby verify the accuracy of the speeds referenced in this thread.
Seems like we have the same "thumb" for all of these "nails".
They're not the same pics. They are six consecutive pictures taken from one stroke. It's hard to tell what's happening, because the marks that I've drawn on the pictures are very small. But, the hips start forward five frames before the club starts down.
In fact, there's a way to give it some action. If you'll open all six windows of pictures on your desktop, you can open the sixth first, and go 6,5,4,3,2,1. Open each of them on top of each other. The first picture should be on top of the six. If you minimize each window, one at a time, you'll see the motion. The hips move forward as the club goes back.
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I suspect this leaning in with the hips develops in good players as an anti sway move. One of the constraints of a full backswing is swaying backward if you "overturn". Starting the hips forward allows for a maximum shoulder turn and coil without concern about swaying. Get your ball position adjusted, and you are good to go!
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I think I can speak with authority as the president of the round belly club, but not with authority on VJ's book.
VJ and I are planning to play golf very soon, so I'm waiting to see him to get my autographed copy of the book. Since I don't have the book, I'm going on the posts and speculation.
I am Hitting, but I use a 4 Accumulator pattern. So, I have a Swinger's Start Down. You may be able to see in these pictures that I move forward about 5 frames with my Hips, as my Clubhead continues back. I've made a small blue mark on my Left Hip to mark the beginning of forward motion. I have made red marks on the Clubhead, as it continues back. This change of direction places a heavy load on the shaft.
This was one of the highest speeds that I've achieved on tape at 123 mph. I'm not sure if this is exactly what VJ's talking about. But, I see this move in players that can really smash the ball.
Hey Ted,
I am curious, if you strive for more right leg lean at the top, if you can increase your swing speed even more.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Hogan has always been the man for me. He was not so good starting out and then rose to the top of the game. Tiger gets nailed by the press for changing his swing from 2000...but Hogan was in constant change, Lynn mentions this on an earlier post.
His swing changed from the '30's to the 40's. Power Golf was written and then nearly a decade later Five Lessons brought forth new fundamentals. Mr. Hogan emersed himself in the swing and kept improving the motions. The written documents and pictures themselves can lead all of us down an introspective road.
Hogan said there must be enough weight on the left side to start the downswing with the rotation of the hips. John Schlee mentions the turning point. Lynn mentions the "Ditty". Ballard talks about the two axis of the swing (But missed the boat in my opinion). Demarott speaks of Hogan's club "bottoming out" in front of the ball. Claude Harmon told one of his assistants that Hogan didn't mention his "huge lateral motion" in Five Lessons. The sequence of the movement of the pivot is the missing piece. He steps forward during his pre shot routine in Shell's...I believe because he wanted that "feel" in his feet but didn't want them to see his sequence...and it is at the exact place he begins to move his center of mass forward when hitting shots.
The Missing Piece isn't clubface control. It is simply Hogan's way of eliminating many unwanted shots. The physics and geometry it sets up explains his belief about planes he describes in Five Lessons. Mark Blackburn and I saw many people for many years that were "running out of right arm" because of where their center of mass was and what it made the left shoulder do. Dave Hamiliton helped me so much with the physics of the motion. All we want to do is contribute to what we have been taught by numerous teachers and players. That is one of the greatest things about the game...we can all share knowledge and pass it down through the generations.
Five Lessons now makes perfect sense.....at least for me.
The Missing Piece isn't clubface control. It is simply Hogan's way of eliminating many unwanted shots. The physics and geometry it sets up explains his belief about planes he describes in Five Lessons. Mark Blackburn and I saw many people for many years that were "running out of right arm" because of where their center of mass was and what it made the left shoulder do. Dave Hamiliton helped me so much with the physics of the motion. All we want to do is contribute to what we have been taught by numerous teachers and players. That is one of the greatest things about the game...we can all share knowledge and pass it down through the generations.
A great post, V.J., 'on point' and from the heart (as usual). I especially liked this:
"It is simply Hogan's way of eliminating many unwanted shots."
I have known from our first meeting that you are a true 'seeker' . . . One destined (I believe) to be a recognized giant in the world of Golf Instruction. Recent events -- your victory in the 2007 Mississippi Open Championship and now, the publication of your book -- only confirm this view.
I plan on being around awhile longer to watch it happen!
I have known from our first meeting that you are a true 'seeker' . . . One who (I believe) will one day be recognized as a giant in the world of Golf Instruction. Recent events -- your victory in the 2007 Mississippi Open Championship and now, the publication of your book -- only confirm this view.
I plan on being around awhile longer to watch it happen!
And he's the tallest (known) Trolio!
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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