Clearing the fog on the #3 pressure point and the definition of "AFT"
Question for lynn the inside aft quadrant in tgm refers to the corner of the ball if spit into 4 parts that is on the back towards you correct. Where is the aft of the shaft? Is homer saying the back of shaft or 45 degree postion if the top is 0 and the back is 90 degrees. I ask this because in a strong single action grip the left thumb and the #3 pressure point are said to be on the aft of the shaft if you look at the pics the left thumb is definately not on the back or 90 of the shaft it is on the 45 line. I ask this because i always thought of the number 3 pressure point as the fleshy pad on the longest part of your index finger. But homer says it is the first joint of the index finger. So when he says first joint does he mean the base of the index finger because that is a joint.
The problem arises in the understanding now for me because if the pressure point is at the base of the index finger and it was on the back of the shaft or 90 that would be a pretty strong right hand grip wich is not what he shows in the photos. If he is talking about the first joint of the finger being the knuckle in the middle of your index finger then if ots location was on the back or 90 degree of the shaft it woud be a very weak right hand grip wich again doesnt jive with the photo's. So to me the only answer that seems correct is that the #3 pressure point is the base or first joint of the index finger and its location is on the 45 or "AFT" of shaft wich gives you the right hand grip in the pictures. To me homers book can be like the scriptures you gotta read the context and its gotta comply with other passages no contradictions. I am qouteing from memory so please feel free to call me out on any mistakes, I knw you spent time with Homer so I was curious if he gave you a explanation on this "aft" location. Maybe you have explained as I am saying now before and I just misunderstood or maybe there is some details or anther way to look at it. Please help with clearing the fo for me on this location of the #3 pp.
Bantamben, check out the gallery and click into the free videos. Once there, click into Lynn Brakes categories and scroll down to video lesson, "pressure point #3, where are you."
Question for lynn the inside aft quadrant in tgm refers to the corner of the ball if spit into 4 parts that is on the back towards you correct. Where is the aft of the shaft? Is homer saying the back of shaft or 45 degree postion if the top is 0 and the back is 90 degrees. I ask this because in a strong single action grip the left thumb and the #3 pressure point are said to be on the aft of the shaft if you look at the pics the left thumb is definately not on the back or 90 of the shaft it is on the 45 line. I ask this because i always thought of the number 3 pressure point as the fleshy pad on the longest part of your index finger. But homer says it is the first joint of the index finger. So when he says first joint does he mean the base of the index finger because that is a joint.
The problem arises in the understanding now for me because if the pressure point is at the base of the index finger and it was on the back of the shaft or 90 that would be a pretty strong right hand grip wich is not what he shows in the photos. If he is talking about the first joint of the finger being the knuckle in the middle of your index finger then if ots location was on the back or 90 degree of the shaft it woud be a very weak right hand grip wich again doesnt jive with the photo's. So to me the only answer that seems correct is that the #3 pressure point is the base or first joint of the index finger and its location is on the 45 or "AFT" of shaft wich gives you the right hand grip in the pictures. To me homers book can be like the scriptures you gotta read the context and its gotta comply with other passages no contradictions. I am qouteing from memory so please feel free to call me out on any mistakes, I knw you spent time with Homer so I was curious if he gave you a explanation on this "aft" location. Maybe you have explained as I am saying now before and I just misunderstood or maybe there is some details or anther way to look at it. Please help with clearing the fo for me on this location of the #3 pp.
The #3 pressure point is that fleshy pad deal between the kuckle that connects the finger to the palm and the first kunckle. If you look at the pictures and video of Hogan putting his right hand on . . . that's pretty much it. See that video of Hogan at the dudes house in the Carribean or wherever they were. Basically aft of the shaft would be at 3 o'clock. According to the Machine you want to get that pad in a position to support the shaft. I good way to "pressurize" your grip is to put the club in a door frame and simulate impact pusing on the frame/club. . . move your grip around and figure out where you get the most support/load on the shaft. Generally that strong right hand deal gets the pressure point too underneath.
thanks i understand what your saying and that is the way I have always understood it all these years. But reread my post as to why i think it could be different. Homer doesn't say fleshy pad he might have meant that thats why im trying to get clarification. He says first joint of index finger where it touches the shaft.
thanks i understand what your saying and that is the way I have always understood it all these years. But reread my post as to why i think it could be different. Homer doesn't say fleshy pad he might have meant that thats why im trying to get clarification. He says first joint of index finger where it touches the shaft.
BB . . . this is one of the finer points in the machine . . . It has to do with loading. The Swinger according to Mr. Kelley loads the shaft longitudinally. This is a big piece of how the pressure point is loaded. The Hitter is basically keeping the pressure on the aft side of the shaft. Where as the swinger particularly the swinger that goes to End vs. Top has the load fall on the knuckle as you describe. So the pressure is actually loaded. According to Mr. Kelley you can leave the pressure on the knuckle or as you come down let it return back to the fleshy pad. So you are correct in your analysis . . . with swinging the loading can change from the pad to the knuckle. So with hitting you are driving the aft portion of the shaft and the loading reflects that but with swinging you are pulling the length of the shaft so the top of the shaft falls on the knuckle (arrow outta the quiver deal).
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thanks i understand what your saying and that is the way I have always understood it all these years. But reread my post as to why i think it could be different. Homer doesn't say fleshy pad he might have meant that thats why im trying to get clarification. He says first joint of index finger where it touches the shaft.
Using 10-2-B, with Standard Wrist Action, the First Joint of the Index Finger, where it touches the Shaft, is Aligned with the #2 Pressure Point. Swingers Load the #3 Pressure Point on the same line as the Left Wrist Cock (directly opposed to the Secondary Lever). Hitters do not, they Load against (don't shoot me) the Left Hand. Hitters Load against the Fleshy Part of the Index Finger.
If you use maximum #3 Accumulator Angle (in the Left Hand) and Release on the Elbow Plane, then the Pressure is likely to move against the Fleshy part of the Right index finger on the side of the Shaft (Aft Side because of Elbow Location). But, with a Small amount of #3 Accumulator angle and a Turned Shoulder Plane, the Pressure is likely, during Release, to remain against the First Knuckle of the Index Finger where it was Loaded on the Wrist Cock (Elbow Location a between the Belt Buckle and Right Side).
It's very interesting to note, that when using 10-2-B with 10-18-B (Double Wrist Action) that the Loading is against the Fleshy Part of the Right Index Finger. This is correct because the Fleshy part is on the same line as the Double Wrist Cock. Simultaneous Release with a Horizontal Hinge.
So, for a Swinger, the more Bent your Left Wrist at the Top of your Backswing, the more the shaft is against the Fleshy Part.
Power in TGM is predicated on precision. How is it then that, after so long, a thread is still necessary to clear the fog on the #3 pressure point and the definition of "aft”? Couldn’t these points have been resolved long ago by using simple diagrams?
Power in TGM is predicated on precision. How is it then that, after so long, a thread is still necessary to clear the fog on the #3 pressure point and the definition of "aft”? Couldn’t these points have been resolved long ago by using simple diagrams?
It's supposed to be a Pocket Book.
Ya know, just toss it in your Golf Bag. On the Sixteenth hole, if you have an issue, merely open the Book to page ?? and, ahhhhh,,,, use that procedure.
Power in TGM is predicated on precision. How is it then that, after so long, a thread is still necessary to clear the fog on the #3 pressure point and the definition of "aft”? Couldn’t these points have been resolved long ago by using simple diagrams?
Yes. And, Extensor Action should be part of Chapter Six; "Power Package".
The whole darn book should be re-written without changing a single concept or procedure. Color Pictures, Colored Overlays of the Flying Wedges, etc. 600 Pages. 25 bucks. Big deal.
A million Copies will be sold. It would become the standard text book for high school and college. Expanded and including video.
The current Owners can't see further than a Bull in a Cow Barn.
Its funny , even in this thread there is misunderstanding. I understand all the concepts you try to explain that is not what i am talking about. Im not taking about where you should feell the pressure point i have listened to many masters classes and been reading the book for 10 years. What i am asking is about the actual location of the #3 pressure point as outlined in the book at address as you put it on the shaft because i am just reading what he says and it seems to be different that what i had learned. Reread my first post as to why i think the pressure point he is talking abut is the base or first joint of the index finger. Thanks for the replys
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