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Old 02-06-2011, 02:22 PM
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2011 PGA T&C Summit / Armless Sleeve Drill / Extensor Action
I slipped my left arm out of its sleeve and did this little drill during my 2011 PGA Teaching and Coaching Summit presentation. To get the concept and feel of Extensor Action and its right arm participation, try it yourself!

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Pinch the Armless Sleeve with your right thumb and forefinger. Make sure you have a nice bend in your right elbow and a nice stretch of the sleeve. (Lefties substitute left for right throughout.)

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Use the Right Forearm Takeaway to take the hand to a Top position (Right Shoulder High or beyond). Use only as much Pivot as required: Let your Hands control and imitate what you see! Your palm should be face up to the Plane. Keep that sleeve s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d. Let go of the tension -- relax the sleeve -- and notice how "flimsy" your Power Package just became!

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Use your Pivot to deliver your Bent Right Arm deep into Release and Impact. Do NOT simply unbend your right arm from the Top. This is Throwaway!

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The Pivot has done its work. Now, stay Centered and now continue the Delivery with Independent Arm Motion until the Right Arm is completely straight. Remember to drive toward the Baseline of the Plane (and not toward the Target!). This momentum -- once spent -- will pull the Body into its compliant position at the Finish.



When you are able to perform this drill correctly without thinking -- shouldn't take long -- you are well on the way to the next level of your best golf.

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Old 02-06-2011, 03:29 PM
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Old 02-06-2011, 08:12 PM
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Man thats a great post. Thanks Lynn.

There is more to this than first meets the eye, I believe: "Use only as much Pivot as required" , "use the Pivot to Deliver your Bent Right Arm deep into Release and Impact", "the Pivot has done its work" etc

Lynn, amongst all the procedures/concepts alluded to you chose to italicize "Independent Arm Motion". Im thinking: MacDonald drills, Hands controlled Pivot, Divergent Vectors, the "blast off" ...etc, perhaps? Its a huge concept and central to cracking both golf and G.O.L. F. to my mind.

Would you care to expand upon Independent Arm Motion? This might be a slight thread jack but not one that couldnt be bridged perhaps.

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Lynn, amongst all the procedures/concepts alluded to you chose to italicize "Independent Arm Motion". Im thinking: MacDonald drills, Hands controlled Pivot, Divergent Vectors, the "blast off" ...etc, perhaps? Its a huge concept and central to cracking both golf and G.O.L. F. to my mind.

Would you care to expand upon Independent Arm Motion? This might be a slight thread jack but not one that couldnt be bridged perhaps.
Study the Pivot Stroke Delivery (6-K-0) of the Loaded Power Package to Release. No "independent motion" of the Arms occurs until the Delivery requirements of the Pivot have been met. When that has been accomplished, the Arms continue the Delivery (independent of the Pivot) through Impact to the end of the Follow-Through.

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Old 02-07-2011, 12:19 PM
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Study the Pivot Stroke Delivery (6-K-0) of the Loaded Power Package to Release. No "independent motion" of the Arms occurs until the Delivery requirements of the Pivot have been met. When that has been accomplished, the Arms continue the Delivery (independent of the Pivot) through Impact to the end of the Follow-Through.




Thanks for this Yoda.

It reminds me of this video. Sorry I tried to link the LBG version perhaps it been taken down?



I believe Mr Hogan is talking Delivery here, that is to say the delivery of the Fully Loaded Power Package from its Assembly point to its Release Point.

Which ties in nicely with the book literalist definition of Startdown, the Period of Shoulder Acceleration, the TSP, Standard Shoulder turn etc etc. A period where the Pivot is dragging the Hands downplane (although the hands are still directing , Hands to Pivot, its a free ride but they are backseat drivers).

Lynn would I be correct in thinking that other than in Delivery the Arm Motion is always Independent, in the ideal? Take Startup for instance: There's some independent Arm Motion there too isnt there? The Right Shoulder turns Flat Back , the Right Forearm Picks Up . Two vectors that net out with the Hands riding the selected Plane Angle. Ah cant do that very easily with a hanky under the arms either.


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Lynn would I be correct in thinking that other than in Delivery the Arm Motion is always Independent, in the ideal? Take Startup for instance: There's some independent Arm Motion there too isnt there? The Right Shoulder turns Flat Back , the Right Forearm Picks Up. Two vectors that net out with the Hands riding the selected Plane Angle. Ah cant do that very easily with a hanky under the arms either.
Yes, O.B., the Arms constitute Zone #2 with its Club Control, Power and Force. Their assignments are independent but coordinate with Zones #1 (Body) and #3 (Hands).

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Yes, O.B., the Arms constitute Zone #2 with its Club Control, Power and Force. Their assignments are independent but coordinate with Zones #1 (Body) and #3 (Hands).



That would make the entire body similar to a multi levered system but with only a few of the levers actually aligned to the target, the ball or aiming point (though they all interact in a coordinated fashion with a common goal). It would require a tension free connection between the Arms and body at the Shoulders to prevent the Pivot from dragging the Arms in their unique direction Id imagine.

The Arms themselves arent exactly moving in the exact same direction either since they both have their own unique circular ranges of motion and therefore unique centers to their respective circles. How do we best harness the two arms to overcome their somewhat divergent ranges of motion? Do we try to make the two arms like one big arm , as if bound together? Or do we designate the Left Arm's "center" as the Center of the Arm Swing via Extensor Action? Making the left arm the radius of the circle, but string like? I personally am going to go with the last option after trying both.

That would make the Left Arm like a string and the Arms to Shoulders connections tension free. Good things to double check, especially in a tournament where its easy to tense up. Lest we end up fighting..... ourselves.

See 2-N-1 for more on Vectors and the glossaries definition of PIvot to sense the importance of the Right Forearm in all of this. In the end the Right Forearm which at first seemed so un aligned to anything, at times, becomes "omnipotent" in Homers words.

I dont think you could achieve it all without Extensor Action. Hmm rod and claw maybe? I dunno. One man I know is uniquely positioned to answer this question.....might take a steak dinner to get it out of him though. Where the hecks my "to do" list.
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"The Right Elbow Center is just what it says. Namely, you Hit (or Swing per the last paragraph) from the Elbow itself. It is a Stiff-Wristed "Batting" Motion with the Right Arm Driving the Club and with the Elbow serving as the Center of the Motion."
I thought this was great.
Can we think of driving the elbow toward the ball? Or would that be wrong ? Driving PP#3 if not done correctly can cause throw away. Would a good swing thought be to drive your shoulder or elbow at the ball instead of hand? I only say this because the shoulder is the "beginning of the chain" So when driving your shoulder instead of the hand it might be easier for some to maintain that bend in the right elbow on the way down.
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Originally Posted by macgolf View Post
"The Right Elbow Center is just what it says. Namely, you Hit (or Swing per the last paragraph) from the Elbow itself. It is a Stiff-Wristed "Batting" Motion with the Right Arm Driving the Club and with the Elbow serving as the Center of the Motion."
Can we think of driving the elbow toward the ball?
I don't think so.

According to the bold text we can think of driving the club towards the ball with the right hand And we move the right hand by rotating the right forearm around a "stationary" right elbow.

I take it as a given that this right elbow turns together with the pivot as soon as it has been reconnected with the pivot in the down stroke and that this togetherness remains intact until the pivot has met its delivery requirements. I am no quite sure what those requirements are though.

If Yoda would care to go deeper into those delivery requirements I for one would appreciate it.
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