Hi All!
I'm new here at Lynnblakegolf.com, and I'm a big fan already. Seriously, wonderful site, a great wealth of information for me, being relatively new to TGM. The Alignment Golf dvd's were just awesome. And all of you who contribute at these forums as well. Amazing.
While not being able to contribute with good answers, I want to ask a question. Or three. And hopefully, since I'm hooked on TGM (studying 6th edition), I will be able to contribute, sooner or later.
So, I've been having big issues with my swing lately. This summer I implemented a few good things in my swing, while reading TGM, and Bobby Clampets Impact Zone.
I started out by making sure I had a FLW at impact, and I started hitting nice draws as my “standard “ shot. And had no problems hitting a fade at will. This only lasted a few months, give or take. That was until I tried implementing an aiming point concept. For starters, I think I did a pretty good job using a Aiming point and keeping an FLW. However the last few months without actually realising I have lost about 25 yards of carry - (after a three week break for back pain ) - on my 4 iron and 10-15ish on my 8 iron. I think that's pretty accurate, not sure if it sounds reasonable. I realise now that I had drifted away from that FLW, and -(or because of the flipping?) - start cutting the ball instead, with an outside-in swing path, getting heaps more trajectory on my shots, and not at all as penetrating/compressed as it was this late summer. I started hitting something like a small pull fade with my irons. It was still playable, but not to my liking.
And while wondering why this happened, I started overdoing the hip slide weight shift, I think I had too little rotation, and too much slide, that caused me coming off plane on the down stroke, forgetting completely about the Right magic forearm and only making things worse. This is just what I think. I cant really analyse my own swing video because well, I don't have enough routine.
I'm on my second season of playing golf, and with the application of FLW, I played from a 22 to a 15ish hcp in no-time. But right now, while I'm playing I guess I'm playing bogey-ish on a good day, but I feel I can do so much better.
Last few weeks, I've finally realised I was flipping the club, from getting my swing on video, and started working on that FLW again. And I think I have messed my swing up pretty bad. My misses are usually... well, all over the place. But mostly I would say its a pull, push, or a fade, or extremely thin shots. Way too many thin shots. AFAIK, that sounds like I'm still coming outside-in. 'Cept for the pushes, that happens when I subconsciously transfer to elbow plane on the way down trying too hard to come inside-out or square, failing to close my club face enough to hit a draw. (also what I “THINK”) I'm not qualified to say really.
My good shots are... good straight penetrating shots with a slight draw since I started re-educating my hands. But I have too many misses... and I have NEVER had any problems with topping – hitting the ball thin – before. The aiming point technique really helped me hit DOWN through the ball, however producing an unwanted fade/bad compression the more I used it. So as of now, my pivot feels messed up, my right forearm-takeaway feels awkward, and my Right forearm tracing isn't working. And for a stationary head, well, I think my head is all over the place. And, I think I'm round housing like a madman. - I didnt do it this bad before... most of these MAJOR faults were probably “implemented” while trying to find my swing again... Again. Just a guess.
I should add though, while at the driving range, my shots are really turning out pretty good most days. My misses at the range, since I started implementing FLW again, is mostly thin shots.
I would LOVE if someone would take a look at my swing and tell me what I should be working on, in terms of TGM. I am planning to see an instructor, but that probably wont happen any time real soon because of work...work...work. And the fact that I don't have anyone nearby.
Would it be ok to post a swing video?
As of now, I only have one prior to starting re-educating my hands. Few weeks old, flipping the club like mad. I will post a link to that one. (Hey, even If you choose to not comment, it might give you a good laugh! :P ). And if it would be OK, I will film a new one tomorrow, with my recent changes.
Also, on a side note, I did seek out a “regular” PGA-pro, and he said “your swing looks good and on plane, what I want to change is the straightening right knee in your back swing” And that's all the feedback I got. I realise I have bigger problems than that straightening knee, even though I'm working on that as well. Without really knowing if I should, or shouldn't. I would like to hear in TGM terms, what I should FOCUS working on first and foremost.
Even if I don't get a reply to this, I want to thank you all for a great forum, and a nice atmosphere.
Sorry for the LONG, long post.
Here is the video from a few weeks ago, prior to "re-educating" my hands. Flipping like mad.
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Hi, yes, you are absolutley right. I am going to see an Instructor, as soon as I'm able. At the moment, I'm working too much, and only spending my weekends at home. So, it probably wont happen before Christmas, and it's a shame, but its the way it is... But I am going to see "Amen Corner" as SOON as I possibly can.
Thanks for your reply, and I realise I'm in over my head, and my swing looks like...well, horrible.
Anyway, going to try to get my changes on to film today. So i might post that later.
I was frustrated while filming this, and i can't recall. BUT, Probably it was a 7i.
I might add that it was a bit rushed to create this thread and post that video now. I should have thought about it more.
I am going to work on my Basic Motion until im ready to move on to Aquired, and total. I have diciplinary issues with this. I tend to forget my goals at times, and start hitting full shots, and trying to "implement" things on the fly, more or less. And with doing this, i fall in to old habits, having to start all over again.
I will be posting again when I get my things straight. And for now. Its basic motion until i got that part relatively figured out.
Thanks.
PS. I do have ONE question though. I can't figure this out. Looking at that video, is my swing considered Over the top? The question is, what is the major cause to my outside in path?
I´m not in the neighborhood of being an AI but I would like to try sharing my thoughts on your Swing. I see two things (the really knowledgeable see of course more).
1. You are taking the club back a bit on the outside in the beginning. "As it goes up it tends to come back".
2. You are a bit fluid with your headposition. More so in the downswing. There is not really a stable Tripod.
I hope I´m not insulting you with these reflections. Perhaps I got a bit courageous after playing 5 practiceholes on par and really feeling the whole swing hang together. My hard work is beginning to pay off.
Hans
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I second that you're taking the club back on a slightly outside - in path.
But it seems like a reasonably flat plane (as it should be) - only that the plane you're swinging on is crossing your target line towards left field. If you aim for a straightish draw your plane line should be down the target line.
But what I do see is clear signs of steering. You do come down towards impact with some decent accumulator #2 lag (wrist cock angle left hand), but the overtaking rate seems to be zeroed way to early, because just after impact your arms have almost the same rotary speed as the clubhead. It's a sure sign that you have wasted power and no wonder you have lost distance.
You should have at least the same amount of accumulator #2 lead half way into the follow thru as you had accumulator #2 lag on your way down. That may not be the root cause, but it usually helsp to prepare and anticipate a proper overtaking after impact in any case.
Are you by chance left eye dominant and right handed?
Do you have a preference for Borge Salming underwear ?
I am and do although its hard to find here in Toronto these days. Somebody could make millions selling that stuff over here. That guy was a hockey god.
Amen's going to fix you up. Please keep us "in the loop" as you progress. You've got a lot of good things happening for only two years of golf.
I´m not in the neighborhood of being an AI but I would like to try sharing my thoughts on your Swing. I see two things (the really knowledgeable see of course more).
1. You are taking the club back a bit on the outside in the beginning. "As it goes up it tends to come back".
2. You are a bit fluid with your headposition. More so in the downswing. There is not really a stable Tripod.
I hope I´m not insulting you with these reflections. Perhaps I got a bit courageous after playing 5 practiceholes on par and really feeling the whole swing hang together. My hard work is beginning to pay off.
Hans
Not at all insulting. I think its refreshing!
For point #1.
I used to take the club back more to the inside, but I probably did it wrong. Because it felt too tight, as my right elbow would get stuck on my hip in the downswing and I had problems clearing my hip. Hence the enormous hip slide I have now. Which also probably is a bad thing.
For #2. Yes, my head is swaying and bobbing and going for a roller coaster ride. Since I got my swing on tape, and actually got a visual on what i was doing.... well, other then it was scary looking at this so called "golf swing", I have been working on keeping my head more stationary.
Thanks for the input. Appriciated!
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Welcome to LBG Christian,
I second that you're taking the club back on a slightly outside - in path.
But it seems like a reasonably flat plane (as it should be) - only that the plane you're swinging on is crossing your target line towards left field. If you aim for a straightish draw your plane line should be down the target line.
But what I do see is clear signs of steering. You do come down towards impact with some decent accumulator #2 lag (wrist cock angle left hand), but the overtaking rate seems to be zeroed way to early, because just after impact your arms have almost the same rotary speed as the clubhead. It's a sure sign that you have wasted power and no wonder you have lost distance.
You should have at least the same amount of accumulator #2 lead half way into the follow thru as you had accumulator #2 lag on your way down. That may not be the root cause, but it usually helsp to prepare and anticipate a proper overtaking after impact in any case.
Interesting. I have not thought of it as of steering before, but I realise you are spot on. (My know-how is limited.. but, it sounds resonable)
And this is interesting. When I filmed the swing I posted here, I also filmed a practice swing. And that swing looks just so much better and more... well it has a different flow to it, and the clubhead doesnt pass my hands until well after "impact". BUT, what I also saw on that practice swing, was that at impact, the clubface was wide open.(I didnt actually see the clubface, but my left wrist was almost turned, and did not become vertical until after impact) And that might be, subconsiously the reason behind this steering, or?
On a side note, to confirm what you are saying.. I own a P3pro golf simulator. When swinging WITH a ball, I'm usually relativly square with the club face, and with an outside-in swing path, 3 or so degrees. (this is relative to the target line since thats the only thing the P3pro measures)
While when swinging without a ball, Im usually more inside-out with my path, however, my clubhead is 12-15 degrees open. Thanks of opening up my eyes more on this matter.
Not sure how I have been so blind.
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Welcome to LBG Christian.
Are you by chance left eye dominant and right handed?
Do you have a preference for Borge Salming underwear ?
I am and do although its hard to find here in Toronto these days. Somebody could make millions selling that stuff over here. That guy was a hockey god.
Amen's going to fix you up. Please keep us "in the loop" as you progress. You've got a lot of good things happening for only two years of golf.
1. I have read about this, left or right eye dominance, but I cant say. I THINK im right eye dominant. And I am right handed, but I should have been left handed. For some reason, many years ago when learning to write, the teachers more or less forced me to do it with my right hand, and not my left. So I generally use both hands nowdays depending on what i do, and sometimes i get confused on what hand to use. I do play hockey with my right hand DOWN on the stick. And I play golf as a righty... Not sure if that answers your question.
2. What can I say... Quality underwear. His brand has a store at the airport im visiting two times a week, only Salming. Great stuff.
And yes, I will go see Amen, once I can find the time.
Thanks for your welcomes guys. And I look forward to my stay here.
Cheers!
/Chris
PS. I do want to add that, this was filmed a few weeks ago, while in deep frustration over my swing. Even if most parts probably look the same on video today, I have been going back to working on the FLW again, and this have helped me a good deal. But, as I said earlier, I will try to stick with basic motion for a while, while practicing.
Last edited by Christian : 10-17-2010 at 06:48 PM.
Glad to hear I at least got your brand of underwear right....I guess I'd better turn it over to Amen from here.
I've often wonderd if right hand low in hockey tends one towards Drive Loading for golf? No conclusions just food for thought.
Look at Al MaCinnis, owner one of the all time best slap shots........active right elbow thrusting against the aft of the shaft. And finally the great man himself Borje Salming in follow through he even has his forearm on plane , the equivalent of a Right Forearm Flying Wedge (if he was shooting right).
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