I am definitely more of a hitter than swinger as using the right arm to hit feels much more natural and comfortable for me. I have struggled in the past by trying to be a hitter and I now believe it is because I have also been turning the shoulders very hard at the start of the swing. When I saw Yoda explain that the right arm uses the right shoulder as sort of leverage to thrust down, out and forward, it made much more sense.
Now here are my questions:
1. Is my interpretation of the hitting description with less a active shoulder usage correct?
2. Is the left arm active at all? Do you pull with it or roll it down?
Any information or direction would be appreciated. Thank you
A good pivot action is beneficial for hitting and swinging.
You need to learn how to direct the forces that runs out from your shoulder - down and out. On plane. Especially in hitting.
In hitting it's more right at the ball. In swinging it's more of a down first and then around. Anglede hinging vs dual horizontal.
I think you can do it by focussing on the pressure generated by your right hand. Aim straight for the inside aft of the ball with your right arm at all times.
You can't turn the shoulders blindly in either hitting or swinging. You have to tame and nurture it, so that creates an on-plane push and pull in your hands.
I do have another question that maybe you (or someone else) may be able to help me with in regards to shoulder turn. It would seem to make sense to me that the shoulders should turn on a plane parallel to, but just above, the shaft plane at address. Then it would be on plane going down and out toward the ball. I have read that the shoulders should turn level (or feel level). This would seem to make more sense if I were standing very erect.
Again, I am new here and may be confusing things, any direction or help would be appreciated.
In a lot of strokes (those who use the turned shoulder plane), the plane of the right shoulder turn and the plane of the club path meet at the top of the back swing. But since the shoulder rotate around your neck and the club rotates around your belly button - or thereabout - it goes without saying that the shoulder turn isn't directed at the ball - at least not at impact.
You can have a pretty steep right shoulder motion during the transition as you move your hips forward, stretch your left side and compress the right side of your core. So during that part, the shoulder will feel as it travels almost on plane. And certainly that it supports the on plane motion. Eventually the shoulder turn and the club path separates before they meet again in the follow thru.
I think it is vital to sense that everything that happens during the transition supports an on-plane motion. When you feel that your body wants to take the club to another place than where your hands wants to go, you know that you have a problem with your transition (which again may have been caused by some mishap earlier. I can usually feel it at address when I don't have the transition in order).
I have a very vivid feeling of starting the downswing on plane, and then bringing the club underneath my shoulder turn. Whether you swing or hit, you need some core stability and power package stability (the arms, the flying wedges) to get a good power transfer from the shoulders that are rotating high up around your neck down to the club that is rotated around a point somewhere around your belly button.
Thank you for the descriptive reply. I think I see what you mean in the last paragraph about the feeling of the shoulders on plan and the club underneath it. I realize how so many things can go wrong and that getting into a correct set up works wonders to eliminate many of the problems.
The right forearm action is fantastic when I get it right. Sometimes it is a total mystery to me. I believe focusing on the pivot may indeed eliminate some of my thoughts/questions about the use of the left arm.
Thank you for the descriptive reply. I think I see what you mean in the last paragraph about the feeling of the shoulders on plan and the club underneath it. I realize how so many things can go wrong and that getting into a correct set up works wonders to eliminate many of the problems.
The right forearm action is fantastic when I get it right. Sometimes it is a total mystery to me. I believe focusing on the pivot may indeed eliminate some of my thoughts/questions about the use of the left arm.
Please be sure that U use #1 NOT #3 to apply pressure-
This is MOST IMPORTANT and easy not to do.
You can use both, just as long as PP#3 doesn't take over the show. If you sense increase PP#3 and loose PP#1 pressure you're in trouble.
I believe I have done this in the past and continue to do it causing some of my problems. I think this is why I have questions about an over active shoulder turn to keep the pressure in PP#1. Obviously, it has not worked.
I am going to jump in here and hopefully not threadjack, but ask a little more about the role of the left arm in hitting.
I am feeling pretty good about the right side; the right shoulder, right forearm, pp#1-3, but am wondering a bit about the left arm and hand.
I have been working on EA, of course, but wonder just how active do I get with the left arm in the downward motion.
I have seen and think I understand Yoda's clip on AG with the left arm going straight down into the ground and the clip found elsewhere regarding the walrus and the tomahawk. I guess I am wondering how to incorporate that left side with the right side.
I am 65ish and golf has never been more fun thanks to Yoda, KevCarter and the folks here at LBG Forums.
Thanks.
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