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Old 01-20-2010, 08:03 PM
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this is not a dumb question-I hope
Is there a very basic exercise aimed at exacting ball contact? The obvious answer may be Practice, Practice, Practice or just practice the basic stroke. I am looking for that simple exacting exercise that leads to precise ball strikeing.

YES!! THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION- BECAUSE EXACTING BALL CONTACT HAS NO MAGIC BULLET-I MUST RETURN TO THE FIRST WOBBLE AND FIX IT. I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS SO I START ASKING AT COMMENT #8

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Old 01-20-2010, 11:41 PM
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Great question. Please give me a hint if you crack the code. Perfect shots forever....

One thing I know is that precise ball striking starts way before the back swing.

As far as distance control goes it is important to be connected all the way from pickup and back through the ball. If the stroke only works on 100% full motion there is probably work to do with the pivot and the rhythm.

I usually have pretty good distance control. So I'm more conserned about direction and shape. I my moments where I can do what I want with the ball. But after a short while it's gone. This has been a mystery for several years. On an OK everyday I can only draw the ball.

Right now I am looking at impact fix. I think what I'm looking for may be there. The fix is about geometry, but I think it also has a lot of influence on the physics involved. Tightening up the power package + precise pressure point alignment. That's where I'm looking for precision at the moment.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:47 AM
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[quote=BerntR;70735]Great question. Please give me a hint if you crack the code. Perfect shots forever....

One thing I know is that precise ball striking starts way before the back swing.

As far as distance control goes it is important to be connected all the way from pickup and back through the ball. If the stroke only works on 100% full motion there is probably work to do with the pivot and the rhythm.

I usually have pretty good distance control. So I'm more conserned about direction and shape. I my moments where I can do what I want with the ball. But after a short while it's gone. This has been a mystery for several years. On an OK everyday I can only draw the ball.

Right now I am looking at impact fix. I think what I'm looking for may be there. The fix is about geometry, but I think it also has a lot of influence on the physics involved. Tightening up the power package + precise pressure point alignment. That's where I'm looking for precision at the moment.[/QUOTE
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Not exactly my question. I am looking for the drill that places the sweet spot in contact with the ball in a very primary sense. ie. improveing contact consistency.]
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:52 AM
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I don't think there's a specific sweet spot drill. When you have decent balance and good rhythm and lag pressure through the ball you will find the sweet spot.

Speaking from experience:

Full effort at the driving range often doesn't provide the feedback necessary to detect and correct minor wobbles in the stroke.

The closest you may get is to practice shots inside 80 yards including the short game. Hit the ball with lag pressure and not with back swing length. Pick new targets regularly. You will feel what's going on and you will be severely penalized when you don't hit it pure. So you will become picky about how you address the ball, start the back swing, balance, rhythm, pressure point alignments etc. A lot of the important stuff. If you can pure the ball 50 - 80 yards chances are good that you are very close to what you're searching for also in the full motion. Even if you have swing problems that only appear on full motion it helps to alternate with short game practice to get back on track. It's the best way to learn feel from mechanics. And of course it helps on the score. No wonder the best players in the world spend most time on the short game.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:53 AM
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The holy grail of the swing: perfect impact all the time. I don't think there are any shortcuts. Fix, intact power package & PP alignment (all on plane) is good advice (see above post).
Having said that, a drill that might help you is simply "hitting the spot". Draw a line on the ground and hit it with every (practice) swing. Be precise. The flashlight drill may help in achieving this (I use a laser pen built in a shaft myself).
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:06 AM
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Is there a very basic exercise aimed at exacting ball contact? The obvious answer may be Practice, Practice, Practice or just practice the basic stroke. I am looking for that simple exacting exercise that leads to precise ball strikeing.
Basic motion. 2 feet back, 2 feet through.

Flat left wrist, bent right wrist, lag pressure, weight moving left with steady head, Look,Look,Look.

Solid ball striking begins with your impact alignments. No shortcuts!

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Old 01-21-2010, 01:32 PM
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A litte new light bulb just lit. This bulb has been there for some time but I never made the connection. I am stating: Not only MUST the left wrist be flat and vertical but THE RPM of the left wedge in its vertical position MUST be the same vertical plane AND the RPM MUST remain CONSTANT or INCREASING during the release interval. The #2 accumulator is not empty until both arms straight and the same for #3 accumulator. MAINTAINING RPM is VERY, VERY hard work. ( VERY, VERY wet mop i think). The wrist is an amazing joint and it is very difficult to see eny even a very small RELATIVE decileration of the hands. This can occur EVEN with a flat wrist.- So. back to BASIC again/still.
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:24 PM
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#3 pressure point
per TGM #3 can be either passive or active. When it is active is it used, starting at release, to prevent deceleration and drive the club through to finish?
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:33 PM
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Return to BASIC motion
I have returned to basic motion in search of/correctioin of wobble. EVERY vidio clip is have found of basic motion looks like the golfer is doing - like a little "snap load". Shouldn't it be done with a top waggle and meet the requirements of 12-3-0 section #6 ?
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:24 PM
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The Start Down Waggle and Its Use
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I have returned to basic motion in search of/correctioin of wobble. EVERY vidio clip is have found of basic motion looks like the golfer is doing - like a little "snap load". Shouldn't it be done with a top waggle and meet the requirements of 12-3-0 section #6 ?
The Start Down Waggle is listed as a Top-of-the-Stroke procedure in the Mechanical Checklist For All Strokes (12-3). Its purpose is to train and rehearse the correct On Plane (1) Clubhead Lag Loading and (2) Pivot Transport of the Power Package during the Start-Down, i.e., the period of Right Shoulder Acceleration (8-7 / 2-H).

Accordingly, it is not performed during the actual Golf Stroke. Instead, it is an integral part of The Address Routine (3-F-5), specifically, the Practice Stroke. Further, especially with Pivot Stroke Delivery (6-K-0), it is an excellent stand-alone practice drill.

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