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Old 12-20-2009, 04:47 PM
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I am starting to grasp the Endless Belt per 2-K.....is there a better video that demonstrates that affect than this guy's swing. I believe Mike is a MORAD student.



I also see a lot of 2-k in Yodas Luke swing, no forced acceleration.

I think for the first time last night I got this affect, it felt like the slower, deliberate and more constant the hands move the heavier the hit and the more the release was delayed....with no lose in power but more accuracy.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:54 PM
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I am starting to grasp the Endless Belt per 2-K.....is there a better video that demonstrates that affect than this guy's swing. I believe Mike is a MORAD student.



I also see a lot of 2-k in Yodas Luke swing, no forced acceleration.

I think for the first time last night I got this affect, it felt like the slower, deliberate and more constant the hands move the heavier the hit and the more the release was delayed....with no lose in power but more accuracy.
As I understand it:
that clip may contain "endless belt" but it can not be seen in the clip.
I think a clip from behind the golfer so that U can see the plane and the left arm pointing below plane is a view of endless belt.
As I understand, the "belt" is the club moving AROUND the left arm and only exists , to the amount, that the left wrist is cocked.
Hold the club in a normal left grip, wuth a LEVEL wrist. Swing one armed back and forth and see the club FLAIL outside the left arm.
Since the flail is dependent some cocking remaining in the left wrist I see how the coordination between #2 an#3 is critical. That may be taking it to far for this question. LOOK at a behind, plane angle swing and you will see the answer.
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:24 PM
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On the other hand, Mike is always a great study of 6-M-1.

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Old 12-20-2009, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
As I understand it:
that clip may contain "endless belt" but it can not be seen in the clip.
I think a clip from behind the golfer so that U can see the plane and the left arm pointing below plane is a view of endless belt.
As I understand, the "belt" is the club moving AROUND the left arm and only exists , to the amount, that the left wrist is cocked.
Hold the club in a normal left grip, wuth a LEVEL wrist. Swing one armed back and forth and see the club FLAIL outside the left arm.
Since the flail is dependent some cocking remaining in the left wrist I see how the coordination between #2 an#3 is critical. That may be taking it to far for this question. LOOK at a behind, plane angle swing and you will see the answer.
I am very much a novice in this stuff and I am sure you are right....I just like how it looks like his hands are running at a constant speed in a straight line yet when they clubhead turns that wheel it looks like it accelerates. I bet this guy hits it a ton yet it looks like he is not forcing anything.

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Old 12-20-2009, 11:57 PM
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IMO, there's 2 parts to Endless Belt Effect.

1. The hand speed in the downswing should remain at a constant rate. I'll make up some numbers, but if the hands are moving at 50 mph at impact, then they should be moving at 50 mph in the start down. Constant rate of speed. You don't want a jerky hand movement.

As the hand speed is constant, the clubhead speed up. So if the clubhead speed is 100 mph at impact, then it could be at 75 mph in the startdown then say 90 mph at the halfway down point...accelerating into impact.

Again, the numbers that I'm using are made up, but trying to illustrate the point.

2. The size of a golfer's 'pulley' plays a factor in *how* they generate clubhead speed.

A smaller pulley is something more along the lines of a 'snap release.' A larger pulley is something more along the lines of a 'full sweep release.'

Johnny Miller had more of a full sweep release and Lee Trevino had more of a snap release. The same with straight line delivery (small pulley) vs. circular delivery path (large pulley).

Let's say that both guys had a driver clubhead speed of 110 mph. Since Miller has a larger pulley than Trevino, that means that Miller must have faster hand speed than Trevino to obtain the same clubhead speed.

I have a Random Sweep release. If I want to increase clubhead speed, I would either have to make my pulley smaller (more of a snap release) or just increase my hand speed with the same Random Sweep Release.




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Old 12-21-2009, 09:10 AM
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I was looking at your "Tracing the plane line" post and I noticed your left arm almost pointing at the impact point. there would be no accumlator 3 left and therefore no belt effect. Maybe, extensor action below plane and pulling everything inwards to make yourself feel as skinny as possible(that is the feel I try for arms in and together weight balanced on inside of feet and TURN around spine - Keep it centered.
Just some suggestions but what do I, a "duffer" know?

BTW - i think the clip is a "stack and tilt" thingie.


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Old 12-21-2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
I was looking at your "Tracing the plane line" post and I noticed your left arm almost pointing at the impact point. there would be no accumlator 3 left and therefore no belt effect. Maybe, extensor action below plane and pulling everything inwards to make yourself feel as skinny as possible(that is the feel I try for arms in and together weight balanced on inside of feet and TURN around spine - Keep it centered.
Just some suggestions but what do I, a "duffer" know?

BTW - i think the clip is a "stack and tilt" thingie.

Mike uses a MORAD pattern, he was asked if he was using a SnT because he works with Dana Dahlquist and said he is not using that pattern.

Thanks for the suggestions, I need to have many compensations right now (to be resolved in 2010.)
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe View Post
Thanks for the suggestions, I need to have many compensations right now (to be resolved in 2010.)
As usual, you are being much too tough on yourself. You are doing a great job and definitely moving in the right direction!

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Old 12-21-2009, 12:49 PM
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Guys question for you.

If you (when actually hitting a golf ball) had a constant hand speed wouldnt that imply a loss of lag pressure? For Linear travel a zero pressure even? When you reach cruising speed in an airplane your back is not pushed back into the seat anymore right? Deceleration would move over into a negative lag pressure per say, as you start chasing the club, throwaway.

In other words is the constant hand speed of the Endless Belt Analogy assumed for illustrative purposes only? To demonstrate the effects of pulley size on clubhead speed?

It was Lag Pressure Homer wanted us to sustain, right? Wouldnt a constant Lag Pressure require a constant Rate of Acceleration? See 6-C-2 THE ESSENCE (of The Secret) third paragraph. Its a Rate of Acceleration not a Rate of Speed, big implications to Hand Speed there.

I know, Ive been reading about a literal application of constant hand speed elsewhere too. What do you think?

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OB, I was thinking the same thing. I dont' think pressures can be created without acceleration and you can't have acceleration with a constant speed.

for a player that would be a model for the endless belt, what would be an expected ball flight? Low with a little cut?
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