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Old 06-04-2007, 12:33 PM
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"Plus the transfer of the residual Clubhead velocity of Accumulator #2. "

Interesting short sentence found in 6-B-3-A (6th edition) Maximum Power.

The release sequence of accumulators is 4, 2, 3, 1. But that doesn’t mean some can’t overlap. (Certainly #4 overlaps in its role with a turning body.)

With the Driver I feel a very strong wrist throw then a roll- totally automatic governed by CF. On the range this weekend, I found that with a non-automatic snap release with shorter irons I can transfer a more acute #2 Accumulator and at a ton of power because of clubhead distance around my ‘belt.’

The last sentence in 6-B-3-A about max Power says, “ So, unless it is “Zeroed Out,” there must always be a definite Accumulator #3 “Overtaking” Action.

Transfer is motion, Velocity is Action. IMO.


Question- Zeroed Out doesn’t sound like a maximum power procedure, so should #3 always DEFINITELY “Over Take” #2?
This would make the release of #2 and #3 simultaneous at impact. Yet with CF I don’t feel that.

btw- this makes Extensor Action fundamentally crucial.
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Old 06-04-2007, 05:04 PM
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I think Aiming Point might be a reason for the "Over Taking" with the shorter clubs and snap release. SInce my Aiming Point is very much past the ball with shorter shafted clubs and in front of the ball with woods and a sweep release. That might be why I 'feel' more overlap and a tighter belt with the short to mids.

Still should there be a certain amount of "Clubhead velocity residual" for Transfer on every shot?
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:18 AM
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This would make the release of #2 and #3 simultaneous at impact.

IMO, not simultaneous more like overlapped. The Left Wrist is not Uncocked until after Impact, so there is still residual velocity.


Still should there be a certain amount of "Clubhead velocity residual" for Transfer on every shot?

Not every shot, but those that involve a change in condition of Accumulator #2 while maintaining the Rhythm of the Stroke (only a minimal amount of #3 is required).
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:47 AM
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thanks Drew!

Another muse:

The machine allows for the same motion but different actions depending on the shot and club in hand. With short irons- I don't think I fully uncock at all. Cock to Level only. This may heighten my feel of a more acute roll of Velocity. With extreme throw- out, fully uncocking and hopefully at low point- I don't know.

The cock is so slight that going back to Level is not the source of Velocity but its travel time around the belt. So in a full Swing stroke- Power Accumulator #3 over lapping "Seems Logical" (and when Homer says those two words- you know it's different- LOL). I just thought the word residual was interesting. It is easy to just think of accumulator release as one leading to another after completion.

Another question: What is a Flip? And how is it different than maximum delay of a Snap release?
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Old 06-05-2007, 02:14 PM
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thanks Drew!

Another muse:

The machine allows for the same motion but different actions depending on the shot and club in hand. With short irons- I don't think I fully uncock at all. Cock to Level only. This may heighten my feel of a more acute roll of Velocity. With extreme throw- out, fully uncocking and hopefully at low point- I don't know.

The cock is so slight that going back to Level is not the source of Velocity but its travel time around the belt. So in a full Swing stroke- Power Accumulator #3 over lapping "Seems Logical" (and when Homer says those two words- you know it's different- LOL). I just thought the word residual was interesting. It is easy to just think of accumulator release as one leading to another after completion.

Another question: What is a Flip? And how is it different than maximum delay of a Snap release?

The smaller the pulley the more the Hinging will feel like a swivel because it snaps in line so quickly.
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The smaller the pulley the more the Hinging will feel like a swivel because it snaps in line so quickly.

I am resulting in a HH but this is before the Hinge Action, how the transfer roll of #3acc begins before the completion of Cock to Level or maybe its Cock to Uncock, either way it is a quick snap down and through the ball to low point when total release of #2acc is finished.

When does #3acc finish? Does it over lap the Hinge Action and Swivel or ends at low point.

When I drill, my left hand only roll and swivel is different then my two hand grip swivel. The right hand effects the changes in the rhythm when it flattens or remains bent. Maybe the effect of a #3pp?
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I am resulting in a HH but this is before the Hinge Action, how the transfer roll of #3acc begins before the completion of Cock to Level or maybe its Cock to Uncock, either way it is a quick snap down and through the ball to low point when total release of #2acc is finished.

When does #3acc finish? Does it over lap the Hinge Action and Swivel or ends at low point.

When I drill, my left hand only roll and swivel is different then my two hand grip swivel. The right hand effects the changes in the rhythm when it flattens or remains bent. Maybe the effect of a #3pp?
Hold the club just above the ground and at Fix now change the degree of bend in your Right Elbow (from more bent to lil' bent to straight) notice the travel of the clubhead AND the resulting travel of the face. I think the degree of bend in the right elbow must be compliant with the selected hinging. It seems to me that with Horizontal Hinging the Right Elbow reaches its in-line condition quicker in Follow Through than with Angled and Vertical Hinging.

I think #3 is done at Full Lever Extension when the Accumulator is zeroed out.
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Hold the club just above the ground and at Fix now change the degree of bend in your Right Elbow (from more bent to lil' bent to straight) notice the travel of the clubhead AND the resulting travel of the face. I think the degree of bend in the right elbow must be compliant with the selected hinging. It seems to me that with Horizontal Hinging the Right Elbow reaches its in-line condition quicker in Follow Through than with Angled and Vertical Hinging.

I think #3 is done at Full Lever Extension when the Accumulator is zeroed out.

Yes, I noticed the relationship between the right elbow and the degree of flattness the right wrist takes into swivel. If you come inside quick, like Evershed, you can keep a totally bent right wrist, as he advocates, but not at full follow through when the right elbow is straight, the right wrist is straight. Sound right?
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Hold the club just above the ground and at Fix now change the degree of bend in your Right Elbow (from more bent to lil' bent to straight) notice the travel of the clubhead AND the resulting travel of the face. I think the degree of bend in the right elbow must be compliant with the selected hinging. It seems to me that with Horizontal Hinging the Right Elbow reaches its in-line condition quicker in Follow Through than with Angled and Vertical Hinging.

I think #3 is done at Full Lever Extension when the Accumulator is zeroed out.

It also alters the angle of approach IMO - so perhaps when you are left hand only, you slip into arc of approach, and with both hands you find the proper angle of approach?
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Yes, I noticed the relationship between the right elbow and the degree of flattness the right wrist takes into swivel. If you come inside quick, like Evershed, you can keep a totally bent right wrist, as he advocates, but not at full follow through when the right elbow is straight, the right wrist is straight. Sound right?
In strict questioning/learning mode:

I'm thinking in an ideal technically correct golf swing, what would cause the right wrist to flatten (not remain frozen) at any point up to and including follow through (including swinging)? What correct, disirable action or motion would the golfer make that would lead to this flattening of the right wrist (or degrees of)?
Obviously in all golf swings I see, the right wrist does tend to flatten before getting to both arms staight. But is this action desirable? Right now I'm thinking frozen until both arms staight, swinging and hitting. Shouldn't one talk about keeping the right wrist frozen until follow through?

On the opposite side, I'm thinking that maybe it is an unreasonable goal to keep the right wrist totally frozen until follow through - so shouldn't one talk about a degree of flattening? Maybe it is indeed desirable to produce such force that causes the rw to flatten (in degrees)? I can see this, because as stated, there is a degree of flattening in top players. I have confict on this issue.
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