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Old 08-07-2008, 03:25 PM
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"Snapping the Kinetic Chain" - a new myth for the golf swing.
"Snapping the Kinetic Chain" - a new myth for the golf swing.

A golf swinging human body is not a bull whip with gradually diminishing diameter in a long chain or thong. It is a structure with levers, fulcrums, muscles, and limitations/strengths not available to a whip.

The left arm is a fulcrum at the left shoulder. It can be pulled around by shoulder turn, and at the end of it is a hand, a clamp, that holds the club. But the shoulders have two arms, the right arm separated from the left by about 18", to which is attached a two levered arm, and again a hand at the end for clamping. That hand also has use of muscles in the forearm that can add force from palmar flexion prior to or during impact.

If you "stop" the shoulders turning prior to impact, there is no speedup of the arms. If you stop the hands moving forward prior to impact, there is no speedup of the club head. If you stop the left shoulder pulling the left arm prior to impact, there is no speedup of the left hand. As said, it is not a tapered structure.

In fact, the faster the HANDS CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE through impact the faster the club head itself gets propelled into the ball. By necessity the left shoulder HAS to slow down prior to impact: it is because the human body simply can't get there with the left hand dragging behind: its range of motion isn't sufficient. And this is one of the reasons for the straightening of the RIGHT arm on the way to the ball: to provide more force AND MORE MOTION THROUGH impact -- precisely to KEEP the left hand from slowing down.

If you slap a stick into a tree hard, it breaks off by contact with the tree. You LOSE; you don't gain force, by slowing down prior to impact on the tree. On the contrary, the harder you continue to drive your right hand, the louder and more forceful the smack. This is what the right hand does, in support of the weaker left arm being pulled by the rotation of the left shoulder.


3-D golf analyzers measure the sequence motion of the hips, shoulders, arms and hands. They do not measure thrust and torque So how can they say slowing down adds speed to the club head. The bottom line is they just want instructors and golfers to buy their 3-D golf swing analyzers for big $$$$.


"Snapping the Kinetic Chain" is just another myth that will ruin the True G.O.L.F. Motion.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:35 PM
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You make a few good points. But is this just your opinion? Do you have anything to back up your claims other than your word? What qualifies you to make these statements?

Please explain
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Old 08-08-2008, 12:01 AM
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You make a few good points. But is this just your opinion? Do you have anything to back up your claims other than your word? What qualifies you to make these statements?

Please explain
Take a look at this link.

http://www.advancedmotionmeasurement...dDownswing.pdf

What is going on in the graft on the down swing is the lower body can only go as far as the internal rotation of the left hip allows. This is why you see the hips slow down just before impact. In the graft it shows the lower body slow down as it reaches the limit of the flexibility of the left hip internal rotator. This will then slow down the shoulders, arms and hands. To prevent the hips from stopping before the finish the right foot pivots up on to the big toe and the hips, shoulders, arms and hands coast to the finish. This down swing action does not add club head speed or snap the kinetic chain as they want us to believe.

Mike Austin’s power secret was that he applied thrust and torque to the handle snapping the club head maximizing club head speed on the down swing. Here is how he did it. At the start of the down swing his left arm which is connected to the upper body which is connected to the lower body provided an opposing force to the thrust and torque of the right hand and arm. This opposing force activates muscles in the body to try to prevent the thrust and torque from moving down for a fraction of a second.

Then the opposing force is overpowered and the thrust and torque release, snapping the club head with maximum acceleration through impact. If is a very powerful move and is not detected with this analysis program. Until the thrust and torque values on the down swing are tested with proper equipment it is impossible to understand what is really going on. With this analysis program they would think it is due to a snapping effect of the slowdown of the hips, shoulders, arms and hands. This is not what is happening.

With Mike Austin’s swing pattern applying thrust and torque to the handle on the down swing the graft measurements of speed in this link would look similar for the lower body, upper body and arms but the club head speed will be off the chart with maximum club head speed from the thrust and torque applied to the handle. The club head speed gains can be as much as 15 mph when using this action. How do you explain for the added club head speed with this system? You can’t. This chart at best is just showing the speed or mph of the hips, shoulders, arms, hands and club head on the back swing and down swing through impact and to the finish. It is not showing how this added club head speed is obtained.

I am now working with a program that shows the thrust and torque values applied to the handle during the down swing including the percent of club head speed gains with this action. I am testing a swinging pattern without the thrust and torque applied to the handle during the down swing. A hitting pattern with thrust only applied to the handle during the down swing and a swinging and hitting pattern with thrust and torque applied to the handle during the down swing.

The results so far show there are little differences in just swinging or hitting. When both thrust and torque are applied to a swinging or hitting pattern I am seeing gains of 5-15 mph depending on the level of the golfer. I also tested a long drive golfer and he increased his club head speed 15 mph with the thrust and torque added to the down swing. He was at 135 mph before and 150 mph after. He might make it to the finals this time with that club head speed.

The point to all this madness is it is an easy way to increase club head speed for the weekend golf without increasing down swing pivot speed. More club head speed with accuracy. The snap the kinetic chain folks want you to increase the down swing pivot speed and put the brakes on just before impact. Now that is ridicules and does not add club head speed.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:56 AM
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Mike Austin’s power secret was that he applied thrust and torque to the handle snapping the club head maximizing club head speed on the down swing. Here is how he did it. At the start of the down swing his left arm which is connected to the upper body which is connected to the lower body provided an opposing force to the thrust and torque of the right hand and arm. This opposing force activates muscles in the body to try to prevent the thrust and torque from moving down for a fraction of a second.

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I tried that before its actually an interesting concept...have you considered using another part of your body as an opposing force against the right hand/arm??
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:14 AM
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Good answer. I am not sure I completely understand how to apply Mike Austins move though.
In regards to the guys who explain the kinetic chain. Lets take TPI for instance. You are correct in that it is the flexibility, mobility, stability, and strength in the various segments of the body that allow this snapping to take place. Not an effort of the golfer to do so manually. Some are more gifted physically and some have been trained to just do it better and faster.
The more powerful hitters segments decelerate faster. Again not manually, they just do it. Because they are physically able.
Now you can train your body to be more flexible, mobile, stable, and how to decelerate faster in the gym. Then as a result it will show that you snap it better. But just actually trying to do it probably won't do any good. Better for the golfer to just try to maintain his lag and drag and let that stuff take care of itself.
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Good answer. I am not sure I completely understand how to apply Mike Austins move though.
In regards to the guys who explain the kinetic chain. Lets take TPI for instance. You are correct in that it is the flexibility, mobility, stability, and strength in the various segments of the body that allow this snapping to take place. Not an effort of the golfer to do so manually. Some are more gifted physically and some have been trained to just do it better and faster.
The more powerful hitters segments decelerate faster. Again not manually, they just do it. Because they are physically able.
Now you can train your body to be more flexible, mobile, stable, and how to decelerate faster in the gym. Then as a result it will show that you snap it better. But just actually trying to do it probably won't do any good. Better for the golfer to just try to maintain his lag and drag and let that stuff take care of itself.
According to PureHitter's post- you're still caught up in the illusion - mistaken thought, that decelerating causes the club head to speed up. Therefore, if I read your post correctly- you're saying that it is a benefit- "snapping the kinetic chain", that you should not only train to increase your flexibility, mobility, stableness but also learn how to "decelerate faster in the gym". Then you discount everything you've said by finishing with "But just actually trying to do it probably won't do any good. Better for the golfer to just try to maintain his lag and drag and let that stuff take care of itself"

If you find an interest - please clarify- because your post is confusing to me.
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Good answer. I am not sure I completely understand how to apply Mike Austins move though.
In regards to the guys who explain the kinetic chain. Lets take TPI for instance. You are correct in that it is the flexibility, mobility, stability, and strength in the various segments of the body that allow this snapping to take place. Not an effort of the golfer to do so manually. Some are more gifted physically and some have been trained to just do it better and faster.
The more powerful hitters segments decelerate faster. Again not manually, they just do it. Because they are physically able.
Now you can train your body to be more flexible, mobile, stable, and how to decelerate faster in the gym. Then as a result it will show that you snap it better. But just actually trying to do it probably won't do any good. Better for the golfer to just try to maintain his lag and drag and let that stuff take care of itself.
I wonder if “snapping the kinetic chain” is the cause of Tigers left knee problems.
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Mike Austin’s power secret was that he applied thrust and torque to the handle snapping the club head maximizing club head speed on the down swing. Here is how he did it. At the start of the down swing his left arm which is connected to the upper body which is connected to the lower body provided an opposing force to the thrust and torque of the right hand and arm. This opposing force activates muscles in the body to try to prevent the thrust and torque from moving down for a fraction of a second.
I tried that before its actually an interesting concept...have you considered using another part of your body as an opposing force against the right hand/arm??[/quote]

When I was working with Mike Austin he tried to explain how he was doing this move. I on the other hand figured out if you apply opposing pressure at the fulcrum it would produce the results Mike was talking about. It was easy to do and you could repeat it. I am sure there are other ways to make this move. If you have any ideas please share them in the lab.
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The snap the kinetic chain folks want you to increase the down swing pivot speed
Can you show me where the "author" of this theory made this claim?

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and put the brakes on just before impact.
Do you mean actively trying to stop the pivot in order to generate additional speed or just letting it happen?

Again, if you could provide references to the above that would be great. Thanks
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Originally Posted by purehitter View Post
I tried that before its actually an interesting concept...have you considered using another part of your body as an opposing force against the right hand/arm??
When I was working with Mike Austin he tried to explain how he was doing this move. I on the other hand figured out if you apply opposing pressure at the fulcrum it would produce the results Mike was talking about. It was easy to do and you could repeat it. I am sure there are other ways to make this move. If you have any ideas please share them in the lab.[/quote]

...give us a demonstration of this???
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